@Meddler, will you be adding some more NLR items if Rylais loses some of its AP

Malicious Metal··94 votes·4,311 views

So Meddler was so nice to chime in in one of the Rylais threads and commented that they'd be nerfing Rylais regardless if it were to become a Tanky or Mana centric item. This would mean that there won't be an awful lot of NLR items that provide a nice chunk of AP.

So how about adding some high tier AP items to fill that niche? Back in Black Market Brawlers there were TWO items I would love to have on Summoner's rift.

Namely Pox Arcana and Netherstride Grimoire

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/a5/Pox_Arcana_item.png/revision/latest?cb=20150707235519

Pox Arcana +100% base mana regeneration +100 ability power +20% cool down reduction Passive UNIQUE – POX: Applies a stack of Pox for 10 seconds whenever you deal ability damage, stacking up to 5 times. Active UNIQUE – DISEASE HARVEST: Deals 100 magic damage plus 20 (+5% AP) per stack of Pox (maximum of 200 (+25% AP)) to all nearby enemies affected by Pox, and restores 5% of your maximum mana for every Pox stack harvested. 60 second cool down.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/40/Netherstride_Grimoire_item.png/revision/latest?cb=20150707235734

Netherstride Grimoire +100% base mana regeneration +100 ability power +20% cooldown reduction Passive UNIQUE – MALICE: Gain 20% movement speed for 2 seconds whenever you deal ability damage.

Netherstride Grimoire especially would fill the niche of a kite option for mages if Rylais gets shifted into the tankier utility item it should be

Thoughts? Because I sure would love having the option which Man/CDR item I would want to build on my mages, depending on the champion, matchup and play style.

105 Comments

TheMinez6 votes

They should also make BMB have a spot in the rotating gamemode que with more new items every time.

Just my opinion...

Troll for Trump6 votes

We don't want mobility creep though, so Netherstride would be bad.

As for champs without mobility, I REALLY don't want to see Morde with it. Although the manaregen would be wasted, that item would still be pretty good, especially with Stormraiders. Other problematic champions are: Ekko Fizz Annie ,and many things that are meant to have their weakness be immobility. Ziggs would fit the bill. '

Venedictos1 votes

Whatever MS boost you get, slows kinda override it, so it isn't as strong as it looks. There's item 3285 which provides a generic 10% MS boost in the game right now, but none of these champions feel like they are over-the-top because of it. It is also a big damage ticket item. Still not being built. 20% MS for 2 seconds upon LANDING an ability isn't that strong and there can always be follow-up balance changes to outliers. The item in itself is very interesting!

Troll for Trump1 votes

Ezreal this guy

Very Hard Engage5 votes

i want something along the lines of...

120ap and a bloodthirster passive, shield builds over time for doing things or not taking damage in a while.

items dont have to have a ton of text or have a wide variety to be effective.

bring back 120 AP.

Dovahkiin4164 votes

Or just nerf it and leave it? Damage is already way too high in this game

Malicious Metal16 votes

To be completely frank I wouldn't mind losing AP on Rylais and cementing it as the tanky utility option.

It's just that all the mage mains are somewhat complaining about the lack of big ticket damage items. As selfish as I might seem I don't like making other people suffer for the things I want :I

Dovahkiin4162 votes

They won't suffer too much, I'm sure they won't nerf is below 70 or 80 AP. Even if they did it would force them to build more damage to be relevant, instead of being annoying and building tank.

20 or 30 less AP would be a good thing IMO, but then again. I don't mage very often.

Btw that second item would be so broken on Cassiopeia ;-;

Malicious Metal15 votes

To be fair, I'd rather see the Snek be lightning fast than be slowed to a crawl by Rylais.

Besides, dear lil' Cassie is supposed to be a kite mage/hypercarry MS to kite would be appropriate, permaslows not so much

Kynami2 votes

There be a reason I have a MS quint page 'cause a certain one of my level 7 champs can't use boots and that extra 15-25 MS early on is the difference between getting away or getting camped.

Elikain2 votes

snek lady http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/096/013/02d.jpg

Trust me, you wouldn't want either a permaslow or a super fast snek. She gets MS from hitting Q, she has a passive that grants her MS greater than boots and upgrades on later levels, Stormraider's + Netherside Grimoire and a Ghost... Literally, certain champions would be so fast that nobody would be able to outrun them once they get near you. That would severely impact the viability of mages on mid as skillshot champions would definitely not be able to be played because the chance of hitting them in a confrontation with skillshots would be in single digits.

FantasySniper1 votes

IDK, there already seems to be plenty of big-ticket damage items.

item 3003 item 3100 item 3285 item 3089 item 3135

Then item 3115 item 3165 item 3027 are still pretty big items for damage.

If anything, they should update item 3151 if they really need to get another AP item out there.

Cipse2 votes

Xerath item 3100 item 3115 item 3027 item 3003 item 3135 item 3020

OP

FantasySniper1 votes

Actually, it's more like item 3003 item 3165 item 3089 item 3285 item 3135 item 3020

Cipse1 votes

Being slightly sarcastic

Venedictos1 votes

The super AP long range sniper Xerath that takes 30 minutes to scale into relevancy and its too late by then since he's gonna get destroyed by anything decent at diving him.

NineTailedMystic3 votes

Archangel's: Extremely niche

Lich Bane: Less niche, but still not effective on most APs

Luden's: Okay, but not its former glory

Deathcap: Building is a chore with its combine cost. 1265 with 3 components? 1700 at 2? What the fuck?

Void: The only good, reliable item on that list.


Nashor's: Even worse on most Mages than Lich Bane

Morello: Pretty good, no complaints

Rod of Ages: Not desirable for quite a few mids, but it's the least niche of the niche items.

Venedictos1 votes

Agreed. Lich Bane especially, even though it is a good item, it is counter-intuitive to most mages that might want to build it. As Lux for example, you want to chain your spells from a long distance to deal damage. Walking into AA range to proc her passive+Lich Bane can result in a huge chunk of damage, but is way less safe than building a Zhonya.

Sahn Uzal4 votes

I don't understand why Netherstride isn't in the game already tbh

Malicious Metal22 votes

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/40/Netherstride_Grimoire_item.png/revision/latest?cb=20150707235734 +item 3116 That's why

If Rylais finally gets nerfed into the spot it should be (tanky utility) it would leave the spot of a kiting mage option open

Sahn Uzal4 votes

I guess that sounds fair, I should've seen that coming after seeing Hashinshin's item 3046 item 3022 Jax

Gnart Even Close1 votes

Ever seen it on Gnar? O.o

Sahn Uzal2 votes

Speak of the devil and it shall appear. I don't want it in my games, and thus shall I not speak of it. :^)

TONY IS SO HOT1 votes

I used to be loved

kile1472 votes

I don't see how that would help a ton, the synergy between frozen mallet and his W speed boost is already enough for him to kite and chase effectively. I feel like Death's Dance or BotRK would be better options because they give the damage mitigation/kiting power boost while also offering sustain and more AD.

Jonheath2912 votes

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I don't understand why Netherstride isn't in the game already tbh

imagine Netherstride on Ahri lol...

Venedictos1 votes

Well she needs something to feel good about too. Especially ever since the Mage Update, she's been put into this wierd spot, where she's got some things going on for her, but not enough compared to other champions.

The Yetii Rider4 votes

Neither of them work in their old states because there's not a component item that just gives 10% CDR and 50% mana regen anymore.

Also, mana regen is no longer a stat for mages.

Malicious Metal33 votes

I just copy pasted the stats. Of course they'd have mana instead of mana regen

So something along the lines of item 3108 +item 3802

Catastrop4 votes

Honestly, Netherstride Grimoire is what we should have gotten in the MYMU, considering they were trying to give us mobility with item 3152.

MrWasjig1 votes

Thing is given how many people hated on Protobelt (and for good fucking reason), Riot made it's dash so pitiful that it was essentially made redundant as an entire item! Really? What reason is there to buy it? It's entire benefit (mobility) is a total joke xD

Catastrop1 votes

Annie Diana Kennen Lissandra Vladimir make very good use of it, it's basically fulfilling it's purpose to be honest as a niche mobility item. Although, it's damage is just a tad too high.

MrWasjig1 votes

Eeh I still don't find it worth buying, even on those particular champions (granted I don't play them often). But since Protobelt's addition, any time I've played Annie or Lissandra it's never really tickled my undercarriage enough to tempt me into buying it :P

Personally I think the space could have been better used shrugs That's just me.

dunkeroni4 votes

I agree. The Pox Arcana would make a great addition to my item 3146 item 3285 Teemo

WiegrafOfValor3 votes

PLIS RITO!!

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/92/Trickster%27s_Glass_item.png/revision/latest?cb=20150707235519

#Trickster's Glass 2115 Gold #Ability power: +60 #Health: +400


#Passive UNIQUE – EYES OF PAIN: +15 magic penetration


#Active UNIQUE – DISGUISE: Teleports to the target allied champion (550 range) and takes on their appearance for 30 seconds. The disguise includes the target's current health, mana and emotes. The disguise is broken upon casting a spell or attacking, or upon your or the disguise's health being dropped to 0. 90 second cooldown

DarkRitual6 votes

I don't want that active on an item anywhere near the normal game modes. However, I think it would be great as an ability of Leblanc or Shaco.

InivtesPreeze3 votes

Fucking no.

Stop adding more mobility creep.

Keìron2 votes

I love rite of ruin. It would create a niche of splitpushing mages.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

NLR?

Catastrop3 votes

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What Is Smite2 votes

I can see some abuse cases with the items if they were to come out as is, for example netherside grimoire would become something of a must on All AP assassin's making it impossible to get away from them while Pox Arcana would be broken for champs similar to Zyra and Brand who can easily spread the passive around then proc it in the middle (Zyra) or after (Brand) their ults to deal a nearly uncounterable 100-0 damage burst. On paper they seem like decent additions, however in practice there would be too many abuse cases where the items would need to be nerfed and then we come back full circle to: AP's Don't have enough universal big ticket items. I can see the attempt at trying to bring more to them but most mages are after the AP and not necessarily the mana on the items. Deathcap, Rylai's, and Luden's all offer a flat amount of AP with an added bonus any AP champion can use. Deatcap has its flat AP along with a 30% increase of all AP you have from runes/masteries/items, Rylai's offers a flat amount of AP along with health to survive skrimishes and an added slow mechanic to spells, Luden's once again Flat AP along with bonus MS and a charge passive similar to static shiv but with less targets. If Pox Arcana and Netherside Grimoire were released they would need to be tweaked so that all champs that build AP can use them and not be abused by a specific group of AP champion archetypes. That's just my two cents on this topic.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

xD pox ahri returns???

The STD jokes are pretty much the only reason we can't have pox I imagine lol

Golden Tager X1 votes

If Netherstride comes out, Morde will become an unkitable god that moves at 500 movespeed while chasing down people moving at 300, and I don't want to deal with that.

Malicious Metal7 votes

Trust me, I won't build Netherstride. As long as I can keep my Rylais I'm happy to just slow people.

Auz the Ripper8 votes

Mana. Mana is why not.

What Is Smite1 votes

No, no Malicious, they have to worry about Rylai's proc when we shoot them with our Gunblade. Think you can get away? Nope Gunblade active + Rylai's proc then perma slow with E and Q + Stormraiders muahahaha

Shuriman Curator1 votes

I don't think ive played Black Market Brawlers, but i think it would be neat if these items made it on SR. Just a thought, don't you think some champs would be too strong if these items are introduced? from the top of my head i feel that Pox Arcana will make Velkoz extremely strong.

GrReaper963 votes

Its a 60sec cd so you cant spam it.

Dominick Destine1 votes

WTF is an "NLR item"?

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