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Meddler, Thoughts on Pantheon?

Rico Jungle Only·2/25/2016, 2:21:41 AM·5 votes·7,415 views

  1. If I may be honest, I, for the most part, abandoned Panth Pantheon Season 6 (with 3 solid seasons of playing him...) because of the removal of mana potions. He is so mana hungry, he can't even harass many top laners to having kill potential before he goes OOM. His jungle clear rate suffers as well from not being able to use abilities, or forcibly having to go down the second tree in masteries for 1.5% mana. And early game is suppose to be his "selling point".

  2. He falls off extremely hard after 35:00 min. (I timed it) Any way to mediate this?

  3. I have had past chats with game designers and they said work was planned if they changed his lore in some way to identify with his kit thematically. Well riot, I see some lore changes, are there any panth changes incoming/planned?

Might I suggest a percentage of maximum health damage E for late game tanks? Or a way Late Game he gets a benefit for being tanky, more than his passive shield proc?

Thanx. -Dan

35 Comments

RiotMeddler2/25/2016, 8:50:58 PM13 votes

Quick thoughts on Panth:

  • He's currently too strong. We're looking at which spots we should remove power from as a result (ult CD refund being a likely target)
  • He's a pretty distinctive dude gameplay wise, no need to add much extra distinction
  • His pattern's pretty lacking in counterplay/interaction at times though (throw spears until low in lane, pretty set combo when going all in )
  • Thematically he's a bit generic (he's a Spartan). His kit's reasonable cohesive with his theme and personality though.
Colgate Gator2/25/2016, 8:54:37 PM8 votes

That awkward moment when OP makes a thread to try and see ways to buff Panth and Meddler straight out says he'll be nerfed.

large prostate2/26/2016, 9:39:54 PM3 votes

Hey fist,

Panth main here. I was upset about losing the mana pots as well and initially thought that Panth was no longer viable top. However, I have since come up with several strategies that almost do away with the need for mana pots. The only champs I've had trouble with at all top since are Irelia and Yorick.

  • Runes: I have 2 rune pages for panth. Both have AD for marks and quints. If I'm facing an AD champ, I'll have flat armor seals and mana regen glyphs. If AP champ, then flat mana regen seals and MR glyphs.
  • Masteries: 12/18/0. Make sure to grab thunderlords and max out meditation under the cunning tree.
  • Abilities: If the champ is a squishy and/or ranged (e.g., Quinn, Teemo, Gnar, GP, Rumble), I'll max Q first. Mana is usually never an issue facing them b/c it only takes several spears then a full engage to kill them. If the champ is at least somewhat tanky (e.g., Garen, Renekton, Shen, Singed, Darius, Cho, Mundo, Olaf, Illaoi, Malphite, Nasus, etc.), then I'll max E. With thunderlords, you can take away ~1/2 their health with a Q->W->E->Auto->Q. No need to constantly chuck spears and waste mana beforehand. I only spam spears against squishies and Garen (b/c of his passive).
  • Summoners: I always go ignite instead of TP. I probably get first blood in 1/3 of my games.
  • Items: 1st is corrupting potion. Then build a Serrated Dirk. Armor Pen is still OP on Panth. Great against tanky opponents and can, of course, build into Maw if you're facing an AP-heavy team. Otherwise, build it into Youmoo's

TL;DR: get some mana regen runes/masteries and take advantage of Thunderlords/heartseeker strike combo

CR4ZYRONDH4VI2/26/2016, 2:02:29 AM2 votes

Yeah that would be cool. Kind of like if he had a spear stab ability that did percent damage or if he was made into a more attack speed champ he wouldn't fall off.

SlashStriker2/26/2016, 11:39:42 PM2 votes

He is so mana hungry, he can't even harass many top laners to having kill potential before he goes OOM

Thematically he's a bit generic (he's a Spartan).

Thats what spartans do. They throw spears at people all day and never fight directly unless the enemy has 1% health left =3

Kingsgrave2/25/2016, 4:37:29 AM2 votes

Hes supposed to fall off late game because of how much influence he has over early and mid game.

Riot is worried about ever buffing his jungle clear because of how hard he ganks.

His mana costs are justified when compared to how low CD his abilities are and how much damage they do early.

SlashStriker2/27/2016, 11:06:09 AM1 votes

Pantheon Spears Shot should be skillshot.

There are tons of things can be done in case he would underpowered. For instance

  • Pantheon could pick the spear for cooldown refreshment
  • When the Spear Shot hits enemy from behind it critically strike
  • and so on.

but it should be skillshot. Its annoying mindlessly spamming Q Q Q Q Q Q Q then cry I AM OUT OF MANA Q_Q. I mean look it costs 45 mana and has 600 range. Thats quite cheap compared to other spells. Its just mindless ability of which you are not aware of anything Pantheon has 300 - 850 mana and has 7.4 - 15 mana/5, spearshot cost 45 mana, why do you cry you run out of mana?

Ezreal and Ahri use only skillshots so why Pantheon must not be?

Variks the Loyal2/25/2016, 9:20:30 PM1 votes

I think one of the biggest internal debates I have personally about Pantheon, is whether he should be a Diver (I hate that they use this as an archetype, I think Duelist would be better), or a Juggernaut.

In his lore, he's a Juggernaut by far, not squishy like a Diver. But the Assassin-like playstyle of a Diver has been associated with him for a long time.

I don't know if his current Diver playstyle is unhealthy or not (It's certainly frustrating for his enemy), or if he should be retuned to be more of a tanky Juggernaut, slow moving but pumping out lots of close range damage, with little CC.

DrNova2/25/2016, 9:21:52 PM1 votes

I'd disagree with being Mana hungry. Faced a panth top with the potion, no idea his runes, but he spammed that spear all dammed day with no problem.

It frankly sucked.

Cherysse2/25/2016, 2:44:29 AM1 votes

Depends on how you build, your capacity for a hardcore engage and his ganks make him super powerful, also you should just add some mana regen yellows or blues and item 2033 to your build.

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