Hey rito, when you go about reworking Pantheon

Z Statistic··1 votes·666 views

Can you make his Q work similarly to Camille's?

It actually flows really well once you get used to it. It feels like she doesn't want AS so she can time her basic attacks with the cadence easily. Pantheon plays like that as well. I don't want the true damage, just the mechanics of her Q with the delay and whatnot. It fits the cohesive theme of someone practicing the art of war very well.

For example:

Q - first cast: Pantheon's next basic attack within 2 seconds deals bonus physical damage. If he hits a unit, his movement speed is increased. If he kills a minion or monster or hits a champion, he can recast Q within 3 seconds.

second cast: if Q is recast at least 1.5 seconds after consuming the first, Pantheon's basic attack range is increased by 350, has the bonus damage doubled, and ignores a large portion of the target's base armor.

In lane, you can expect Pantheon to Q you when he goes in for a last hit and only at least 1.5 after last hitting. He can reactivate Q for faster burst or later for more damage depending on the situation, which allows you to respond to him accordingly. For all ins, his burst would be spaced out more even though it would be higher than live, giving you much more room to work with even if he is fed.

The base armor pen is mostly to help him stay relevant vs squishies late game so he can do his job as an anti-carry diver while still flopping against tanks, but mostly it's just there as an added incentive to space out Q casts.

16 Comments

Atreus Jones2 votes

If they rework Pantheon. Keep his Q. The only reason he is such a lane bully is because of his Q. Take away the point and click spear and you remove some identity from the spartan.

USG Failsawce1 votes

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If they rework Pantheon. Keep his Q. The only reason he is such a lane bully is because of his Q. Take away the point and click spear and you remove some identity from the spartan.

or they could just not rework pantheon. since he's absolutely nowhere even remotely close to needing one, nor does "rito have him on their radar" like this OP seems to delusionally think.

the real problem here is that people need to stop this fad of crying for reworks and "skillshots" every other day, just because they don't like something. it's a stupid trend, and it needs to stop.

Z Statistic1 votes

Oh look

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/uTEZqLz9-chromas-yorick-and-champ-mastery-in-ask-riot?comment=000c0000000e0000000000000000000000010000

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Sure, not sure who will get to on this list but champions that are high for us right now are.

Galio Swain Urgot Chogath Irelia Evelynn Mordekaiser Pantheon Rammus DrMundo Nunu Akali

We obviously won't get to all of these next year, and there will probably be others that get added to the list overtime. There are probably others I'm not thinking about right now as well. But since u asked I through some up.

USG Failsawce1 votes

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Oh look

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/uTEZqLz9-chromas-yorick-and-champ-mastery-in-ask-riot?comment=000c0000000e0000000000000000000000010000

lol how adorable.

first of all that list isn't as accurate as the lists that they've repeatedly thrown out there before and since then.

second of all, updates =/= reworks. some get reworked, most gets 'updates'.

but part of the problem, and stay with me now since this seems to be difficult for you to understand, is that people like you keep coming on the forums and crying for reworks.

the difference? mordekaiser was a rework. akali, nunu, swain, and evelynn were updates. see the issue here? people dont want a pantheon rework, nor does riot.

but also, most people don't even want a fucking update for him either, and much much less a garbage skill shot change that goes completely against his kit and is a bad idea from idiot players who want to be "edgy" and "clever".

and "ryze got a skillshot so why not pantheon and teemo and every fucking other targetable in this game"

it doesn't make the game more dynamic or fun. it's plain and simply just a stupid idea, stop asking for it already.

Z Statistic1 votes

Dude, clean the salt from your eyes. You're not even responding to what I've said at this point. All you're doing is bashing the strawman in your head of me.

Ralanr1 votes

Actually his Q would need to go because it's incredibly oppressive in lane. Yes he's a lane bully, but even Darius has ways to be played around with his harass.

USG Failsawce1 votes

STFU ABOUT REWORKING CHAMPS THAT DON'T NEED REWORKS ALREADY.

Z Statistic1 votes

Look, Pantheon is already on Riot's radar. We can put out fingers in our ears and shut our eyes while shouting, "Pantheon's fine! Riot won't rework him! He doesn't need to be reworked!" or we can give some constructive criticism and some solutions.

I don't want Pantheon to be changed. I played him all through Season 4, Season 5, and Season 6. He's my favorite champion aside from Lulu. That doesn't change the fact that Riot's probably going to make a pass at him within the near future, and I'd rather his Q be changed to something honestly more interesting than a super charged ranged basic attack with a mana cost than his entire kit be gutted for 'game health'.

And I'd certainly rather the Q be above than some ridiculous skillshot like Ryze's.

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly I'd like a skill shot that gives some unique reward for landing it. Like it skewers the person and gives them the grounded effect until you remove it.

Z Statistic1 votes

Not much room tbh.

E is very fun and has plenty of counterplay in and of itself. It's mostly just the Q and point-and-click stun on W. However, the targeted jump and the passive refresh are critical for Pantheon as is, and a stun really only makes sense on either W or innate.

I could see a time passive that gives Pantheon a 1 second stun on his next basic attack every X seconds and combine his current passive with his W as a passive effect, but that disrupts the cadence of his spells + aa rhythm

And his ult should not change ever except in adding a passive component if necessary.

Thus, his only ability that is open for change is Q, but it just so happens to be the glue that holds the offensive part of his kit together, and to have it not be reliable would be a huge detriment to him.

That's why I like the Camille's Q design. It's extremely reliable but still has some nice skill highs and lows.

Ralanr1 votes

Honestly I find his E to be the worst ability in his kit. The active anyway.

Z Statistic1 votes

Nah, you can dodge it.

It's the W stun being point-and-click that eliminates the ability to dodge it. And the W stun would be manageable if it were more interesting to avoid getting chunked down by Q beyond just healing through it.

Ralanr1 votes

Oh it can be played around. It's just not fun to use IMO.

Z Statistic1 votes

Eing people who go in for last hits and getting all 3 strikes off is incredibly fun.

USG Failsawce1 votes

.................

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Z Statistic1 votes

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