i'm getting real sick of Xayah doing whatever the hell she wants.

Call Me Nana·May 11, 2017·14 votes·3,508 views

It's bad enough you have to play a shitty minigame all laning phase of dodge the god damn feathers but the damage cap on bladecaller is disgusting.

Heaven forbid you step out of place once, you get rooted, and hit for what essentially feels like a lux ultimate.

But wait theres more!

Her stupid ult can also cleanse CC, cause thats something she fucking needed.

Last I checked you couldnt repel as Elise when snared or any other champion. So why is she so special to just cleanse the CC whenever she wants? NOT TO MENTION SHE CAN FLIPPING MOVE DURING IT.

25 Comments

JoxcabMay 11, 20178 votes

people are still shitposting about one of literally the easiest adcs to shit on wow

short range extremely high mana costs early relies on mana for passive (because needs to use ability) poke is clearly broadcasted and avoidable (trajectory follows her AA pattern) windows of strength (while using W) -> clear windows of weakness (when W is on CD) poor waveclear early without burning mana to dust immobile as hell extremely long ult cooldown her all in relies entirely on her E which can be easily avoided outside of a point blank R-E positioning around feathers isn't difficult if you have above a single digit IQ no triple feathers = no root = no all in

Craft ZeppelinMay 11, 20171 votes

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people are still shitposting about one of literally the easiest adcs to shit on wow

short range extremely high mana costs early relies on mana for passive (because needs to use ability) poke is clearly broadcasted and avoidable (trajectory follows her AA pattern) windows of strength (while using W) -> clear windows of weakness (when W is on CD) poor waveclear early without burning mana to dust immobile as hell extremely long ult cooldown her all in relies entirely on her E which can be easily avoided outside of a point blank R-E positioning around feathers isn't difficult if you have above a single digit IQ no triple feathers = no root = no all in

I swear people who begs to open xayah and not ban lucian or cait are utter fools

Milla JovovichMay 11, 20174 votes

Called her broken on release,got downvoted.

Xayah and Rakan are the best bot laners easily.

Magical ZoeMay 11, 20179 votes

False. Xayah has a sub 50% win rate and Rakan has a staggering 45% in high elo, best bot laners my ass.

undesirable teamMay 11, 20173 votes

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False. Xayah has a sub 50% win rate and Rakan has a staggering 45% in high elo, best bot laners my ass.

False thats because they're new and nobody knows the power of them yet rakan is easily busted

Magical ZoeMay 11, 20175 votes

So ,you're saying that it takes more than 1 month for anyone to master them or to find their "hidden" power? Everything has been sought out, don't be daft. Rakan is severely gimped if he doesn't have a good adc, Xayah relies on someone to initiate for her so she can set up and position. Rakan has held a 45% win rate and below since the day he came out. Xayah might be a bit strong but that's about it. The only thing to make them more powerful would be different item builds (at the very most).

Chembaron YamadaMay 11, 20171 votes

Just saying: remember Iverns release? Extremely low winrate at first. Look where he is now.

Sometimes it takes time for people to become good with specific champs. Rakan effectively plays like an assassin. And I doubt that many support mains are that familiar with that playstyle.

I would still give it time before judging Rakans true power.

undesirable teamMay 11, 20172 votes

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Just saying: remember Iverns release? Extremely low winrate at first. Look where he is now.

Sometimes it takes time for people to become good with specific champs. Rakan effectively plays like an assassin. And I doubt that many support mains are that familiar with that playstyle.

I would still give it time before judging Rakans true power.

that is cus he got buffed--ivern

Chembaron YamadaMay 11, 20171 votes

His buffs were nowhere even close to be strong enough to cause a rise of winrate from 30% to almost 60%.

undesirable teamMay 12, 20171 votes

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His buffs were nowhere even close to be strong enough to cause a rise of winrate from 30% to almost 60%.

yes it was, along with the s7 jungle

EreldraMay 11, 20172 votes

Sometimes it does take a long time, but those champions either have new/difficult mechanics that need to be learned or specific playstyles that people need to learn in order to use these champions effectively.

Ivern is a prime example - he's basically a Support in the Jungle, something that simply did not exist in any form close to this before. Plus the fact that he clears the jungle completely different from any Jungler. So it naturally took people way longer to figure out how to play him, how to build him, how to use him effectively.

Kalista also had a completely new gameplay-mechanic in her Jump-Passive and also the Rend-Mechanic so again it's only natural that it takes alot of time to learn and practice her.

Bard, Taliyah, Aurelion Sol, Jhin ... the list goes on.

But the real question is now: What really "new" difficult mechanic does Xayah bring which would be difficult enough to argue she just takes people so long to figure her out? Her build is nothing really new, there are different ways to build her but she doesn't require some special new build in her role; BotrK or Crit-Build both do fine on her. And her kit is quite straightforward too; use Q and W abilitys, pump out feathers, position yourself to hit as many when using your E. Maybe it needs a bit of practice to pull it off consistently but I'd say that gets nullified by the people on the other side learning on how to play around it. And thats really the one thing you need to do against Xayah since so much of her power lies in the feathers and her E. Aside from that shes just a Auotattacking ADC.

So I don't think the comparisons with Kalista or Ivern are justified as Xayah is not bringing really new mechanics or playstyles with her.

Chembaron YamadaMay 11, 20171 votes

Read my comment again, I was talking about Rakan. And he actually does exactly that, because he is a support with the playstyle of an assassin.

BellowsMay 11, 20172 votes

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So ,you're saying that it takes more than 1 month for anyone to master them or to find their "hidden" power? Everything has been sought out, don't be daft. Rakan is severely gimped if he doesn't have a good adc, Xayah relies on someone to initiate for her so she can set up and position. Rakan has held a 45% win rate and below since the day he came out. Xayah might be a bit strong but that's about it. The only thing to make them more powerful would be different item builds (at the very most).

Yes, it did for tahm, azir, and even gnar. Slow to gain notoriety and then BOOM, they get nerfed left and right.

LankPantsMay 11, 20172 votes

It took about 2 months for Kalista to really catch on after her launch and she was a complete and utter broken PoS for ages.

NaqelMay 11, 20171 votes

Rakan is garbage without Xayah.

Both of the effects they get from pairing up are boosts to Rakan's performance, and he's basically crippled when she's not on his team on account of that.

AFilthyCaitMainMay 11, 20174 votes

Her e and passive are overtuned, her passive just a bit. Ive been saying this forever, as once she hits level six she can instantly 100-0 you with R>Q>E (Ive actually done this with her and its disgusting)

FaieMay 11, 20174 votes

Her Ultimate does not cleanse CC. It makes her untargetable, but it doesn't let her move if she's snared.

QuietpartnerMay 11, 20173 votes

All new champs Riot makes are broken. They do it on purpose, so people play them.

R0XTARMay 11, 20172 votes

Want a counter?

QSS. Caitlyn. Lucian. Vayne. Ashe. ETC.

Anyone with range and/or a dash beats her. Expand your champion pool. I haven't lost more than twice out of twenty games to a Xayah while playing Lucian. and its actually fun avoiding her feathers and making her rage when she cant snare you because you have a safe dash.

Chembaron YamadaMay 11, 20172 votes

Xayahs ult removes CC? Sure about that?

If that is really true, it seems like unnecessary power for me. This skill should be used to dodge CC and damage skills, if it removes CC I think it is way too good as a defensive skill.... Additionally to the offensive power it has, dealing damage and setting up a huge amount of feathers for her E.

Baka RedMay 11, 20173 votes

It isn't true. Xayah ult doesn't remove CC. It allows Xayah to avoid CC if used at the right moment by making Xayah untargetable and thus make CC miss her. The OP might not know the correct terminology or maybe he is just simply mistaken.

I have nothing else to offer on the discussion, since I haven't been able to play Xayah yet - no such luck with my ARAM rolls, which is the only game mode I play.

Chembaron YamadaMay 11, 20171 votes

Ok, I already wondered since it isn't stated anywhere that it removes CC, just that she is untargetable while casting it. Then the ability seems fine in my opinion.

Ben SwoIoMay 11, 20172 votes

I always ban her myself or ask to have her banned. She has always been an extremely difficult lane, especially with her duo Rakan. She definitely felt a but on the busted side to me.