Okay calling something OP should not be a positive thing Riot.

CitadelOfIce·Feb 13, 2016·52 votes·1,605 views

I hear this all the time in the LCS "the teams are picking witch OPs to let through". In case you do not remember this OP stands for Over Powered, as in it is over the intended power level. That means you did something wrong.

If you intention is to make the OPs the new norm by buffing everyone else up that's fine, do that just up the number across the boards for everyone all at once. I was a programmer for two years, I know for some people big numbers are easier to play with then really small ones. But if that's not what your doing you are admitting there is a problem with your game every time you call something an OP.

28 Comments

Definitely BaitFeb 13, 20168 votes

With how the patches have been going I honestly believe that is what riot is starting to do. I mean duskblade, Xin changes, keystone masteries, dragon buff, and the minion wave changes it seems like everything is getting stronger.

AniohnFeb 13, 20163 votes

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With how the patches have been going I honestly believe that is what riot is starting to do. I mean duskblade, Xin changes, keystone masteries, dragon buff, and the minion wave changes it seems like everything is getting stronger.

I would agree with you on everything but the part about "everything getting stronger"

Only half of the champions (the ones who are already broken beyond repair) are getting stronger, ones like Garen Katarina, Akali, Zed, Yasou etc.

Bump this to the top because of how true it is

ElindiirFeb 13, 20161 votes

Akali ACTUALLY needed some love.... Running out of energy while farming creeps with Q sucks really bad, and its already really easy for Akali to fall behind.

Bots Whilst HighFeb 13, 20161 votes

The reason is easy for her to fall behind is because if I wasn't, she would be 20/0 every game. she's a balanced assassin and zed/Leblanc should follow suit

ArakadiaFeb 13, 20161 votes

So being able to dash to someone 3 times and have sustain with no mana along with stealth, burst, hybrid, and all around strength is fair? I just hate her ult and sticky-ness.

ElindiirFeb 15, 20161 votes

She's sticky but super easy to kill. She lacks disengage, so she is super dependent on her stickiness and sustain. Basically, when Akali goes in, somebody WILL die

ArakadiaFeb 15, 20161 votes

I see that. But she does have stealth...

Maybe its just that in solo Q she picks people one by one off and no one thinks they should group focus her.

Definitely BaitFeb 13, 20162 votes

What I meant when I said everything seems to be getting stronger is riot is doing a lot of things that cause indirect buffs. Like as an example the whole minion change made split pushers much more valuable.

ArakadiaFeb 13, 20161 votes

I agree, although ik this'll get downvotes.

RasCaelestisFeb 13, 20169 votes

And yet others, the ones Riot doesn't like for some reason, are being nerfed.

For example, on the PBE right now there are nerfs for Viktor. He is my favorite champion in the game, and I will not try to hide/deny that this makes me biased. I also don't watch many of the 'pro games' but I know that Viktor has a high pick rate there because he can temporarily stall games with his good waveclear. That said, I can't remember the last time I've seen another Viktor in one of my games.

It may be because of my Elo (I was Silver 4 last season, but I don't play many ranked games) that I don't see Viktor, but I have a few Gold/Plat friends and one in Diamond that have said they don't see him much either. For every eight or nine assassins I come across in mid, I'll see a mage. Most of the time that mage will be Lux, Morgana, or Annie. I've even seen more Swains recently than Viktors.

Even people with more than 125 games played as Viktor have a winrate of less than 50%. Winrate shouldn't always be a factor when deciding buffs and nerfs, but when even his 'mains' can't break the 'above average' standard, I don't think more nerfs are the way to go.

I know that anecdotes and "Well, I saw this so it must be true..." stories aren't the best examples of evidence, but I'm still trying to find out a reason for these nerfs in a time when Viktor's biggest counters are being buffed out the wazoo. If anyone has a reasonable explanation, I'd really like to hear it. Riot's been quiet on it, and I'm genuinely curious.

ArakadiaFeb 13, 20162 votes

Viktor is like my main Swain, no one plays them but their really strong.

Gregor GysiFeb 13, 20165 votes

Champions are getting weaker. Riot prefers nerfing the strong ones over buffing the weak ones.

Silver SingedFeb 14, 20163 votes

Except the class updates have been countering that logic.

Gregor GysiFeb 14, 20161 votes

They were definetely a step in the right direction - except that they got nerfed afterwards. I'd love if Riot decided to just buff everyone else instead of taking the Juggernauts down again. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=753871

ElindiirFeb 15, 20161 votes

LMAO

SoMNiaFeb 13, 20163 votes

Then maybe the community shouldn't call things "OP" when they're not, because it has changed the definition. Now, it just means "highly desirable and/or feared in the current meta".

Mister SupportFeb 13, 20162 votes

When they call OP in the LCS, it's either something the balance team is already looking at (GP, Fiora, Poppy) or something that is extremely powerful in coordinated team play but not so much solo play (lulu, elise).

mogonkFeb 13, 20162 votes

No, no. See, this is "dynamic imbalance".

Which means yes, the balance team is terrible at balancing the game.

But they KNOW they're terrible at balancing the game, so it's okay and innovative and very, very smart.

HayRossFeb 13, 20167 votes

Dynamic imbalance is a natural consequence that will always exist for the game, it will NEVER achieve perfect balance

However, it doesn't even look like Riot is trying anymore

MelledoneusFeb 14, 20161 votes

They basically released the new Xin Zhao knowing how broken it'd be.

Now they're like, "We know we screwed up. But do we care? NOPE."

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 15, 20161 votes

So when was the game ever close to balanced?

HayRossFeb 15, 20161 votes

The closest point in the entirety of league of legends history is up for much debate

SoMNiaFeb 13, 20161 votes

No, it means perfect balance is not even possible, due to the high number of variables over which Riot has no actual control (i.e. player experience and choices) and the sheer complexity of the game. Different imbalances will be revealed and addressed as these variables shift, and that process will never stop. The fact that you don't understand this doesn't mean you need to be sarcastic about it. XD

1 800 MID LANEFeb 13, 20162 votes

In all honesty, I'd rather see everything in an extremely weak state than see it all ridiculously strong. Being 1-shot by something is boring and dull. Not to mention tilting. If objectives were stronger and champions weaker, I'd almost say this game would be better.

High5Feb 13, 20161 votes

We use a variety of terms in every day language that have changed meaning.

If you're complaining about balance, I suggest spending more time adapting in game than complaining out of game.

La BarbotteFeb 14, 20161 votes

they realised its gonna be easier balancing the game in making everyone unfair than making everyone fair

53872273_DELFeb 14, 20161 votes

I have an idea for the game. (Make the towers have 300 armor and 250 magic resist with minions and champs around it, along with 5k hp) and take armor pen and magic pen out. or make both not do extra damage to tower) The newest AD item is stupid. You cannot build enough armor and hp to take hits. (armor pen aids) take 500 hp out for jungle monsters.) Give nexus turrets 7000hp and 500 armor and magic resist. You want diversity how about start working as a group to take towers. and give all towers 500 attack damage with a 2 attack per second. Or better yet make a sandbox custom game mode when take out the shit scar. Riot as much as I love your company and League. There is always way to make the game more fun and longer. LCS would love it.

CitadelOfIceFeb 14, 20161 votes

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I have an idea for the game. (Make the towers have 300 armor and 250 magic resist with minions and champs around it, along with 5k hp) and take armor pen and magic pen out. or make both not do extra damage to tower) The newest AD item is stupid. You cannot build enough armor and hp to take hits. (armor pen aids) take 500 hp out for jungle monsters.) Give nexus turrets 7000hp and 500 armor and magic resist. You want diversity how about start working as a group to take towers. and give all towers 500 attack damage with a 2 attack per second. Or better yet make a sandbox custom game mode when take out the shit scar. Riot as much as I love your company and League. There is always way to make the game more fun and longer. LCS would love it.

I loved longer games there was a good pacing to them. There was a defined early laning, mid (incert your comp tactic here), and late push for finnish.