So what is a poison mage?

Linna Excel··2 votes·827 views

In his thread on cass's rework direction, RiotRepertoir said once or twice that cass is a mage who uses poisons but not a poison mage. Cass, elise, teemo, and the toxic avengerbaldy all use poison, but none of them meet whatever standards for what a poison mage should be. While I'm fine with this interpretation, I have to ask what should a poison mage be in LOL? What are the standards in terms of theme and kit that you'd have to pass to be the poison mage?

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Hex the FenFen3 votes

Teemo Singed are basically the only 2 true posion mages we have in the game. Singed's poison is VERY DEADLY and Teemo, well we all hate Teemo's DoT. Cass should follow this as our almost complete poison poison mage, but instead she is a SPAM E bot with 1 dimensional gameplay. Elise has "poison" as a part of her theme of being a spider, I wouldn't really count her since it is only the name of a move and doesn't really follow the poison mage archetype

DrCyanide1 votes

I'd like to add to that that with poison as your focus you have a champion that provides a lot of anticipation. Teemo anticipates you stepping on a mushroom and waits as you slip into the darkness to see if he gets the kill. Singed anticipates the chase, and the moment when his enemies will try and back away and he can turn on them.

Contrast this to Cass or Twitch, both of whom just do what they do and the poison is a side note.

Hex the FenFen1 votes

In the same note, people are scared to step into Teemos lane and Singed has the tools to make sure you follow him. There is a fear factor to their poison and even Teemo has poison on his auto attacks and that poison hurts a decent amount as well. The only reason people are scared of Cass's poison is because of the twin fang spam, not the actual poison damage. And I feel as though Cass should have scary poison, damaging poison she should be our zone control poison horror show not just Twin fang spam bot

Stars Shaper1 votes

What poison does:

  • Kills you over time
  • Numbs your senses
  • Starts digestion for the poisonous animal

Pick one (or all) and make it a game mechanic.

Woook3r1 votes

Its not burst dmg. Hence, it must be a very survivable champion.

Mages build dmg not survivability. Hence it will never work unless the survivability is loaded into the kit and that means range.

Hmm. High dps at very safe ranges doing magical dmg. It sounds like azir, if his soldiers were super sticky and you couldnt get away from him. That would be toxic gameplay. There will never be a poison mage. Poison tank. You can have that, sure Singed

Stars Shaper1 votes

There might be a sort of DOT stacking mechanic that makes it useful expecially at medium/long range.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Cassiopeia Singed Teemo

Woook3r1 votes

Whatever it is it has to be tanky. This game only allows dps if you are hella tanky. If you are squishy, you need cc, mobility and burst.

The Queen Viper1 votes

Singed

Champion Skin1 votes

Well Swain is kind of a poison mage... just give his abilities some poison visuals and you have a poison mage which slowly burns downs his target with poisons.. there is no burst just lots of burning poison/DoT

Lost R1 votes

The poison element across all RPGs is accepted to be a damage over time thing. In League of Legends, this is basically the only thing it could mean, even involving champions that do damage over time that isn't poison (Malzahar, Twitch, Cassiopeia, Singed, Elise, Brand, Swain, and even Darius and formerly Draven). Even thinking of it as "poison" is disingenuous; the element of poison is basically an aesthetic license within the rules of this game, where the only elemental damages at play are physical, magical, and true.

Another way of looking at it is the tabletop route. Poison in Tabletop RPGs cause stat damage more often than not. This type of poison damage is also not new to League. Plenty of champions and items cause stat damage; too many to list them all, in fact. This includes champions and items like Nasus, Trundle, Taric, Miss Fortune, Sona, Vi, Wit's End, Black Cleaver, Ignite, and so on. Bear in mind that this type of poison damage is not synonymous with Crowd Control. This is directly stripping the enemy of their stats so suddenly, they aren't healing as fast as they should, or their attacks aren't hitting as hard, or additional damage received suddenly hurts a lot more. The thing is, any champion that uses a poison aesthetic at the moment doesn't cause stat damage.

These are pretty much the only two things it could be, and if it still isn't, then maybe Repertoir should explain his thought process.

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