Shaco mildly viable with preseason changes, QUICKLY GET THE NERF CANNON.

Unreformed Shaco·Nov 1, 2017·5 votes·568 views

You praise diversity but only keep 20 champs in the spotlight.

It's pretty evident that there is a person vendetta against Shaco within the balance squad.

18 Comments

Boosty MagooNov 1, 20172 votes

quick, kill it with fire

Frontline FuryNov 1, 20172 votes

Personal vendetta? Perhaps the champion is simply not fun to play against, so they don't want to up his playrate to pick/ban proportions?

Unreformed ShacoNov 1, 20171 votes

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Personal vendetta? Perhaps the champion is simply not fun to play against, so they don't want to up his playrate to pick/ban proportions?

Oh because Yasuo is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much fun to play against, you never see him talked about.

Oh wait, he is constantly complained about, and had a 60% ban rate since his release.

But he is 975 and generates lots of shekels for us. No problems there.

Frontline FuryNov 1, 20171 votes

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Oh because Yasuo is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much fun to play against, you never see him talked about.

Oh wait, he is constantly complained about, and had a 60% ban rate since his release.

But he is 975 and generates lots of shekels for us. No problems there.

Balance team averages around diamond rank. Yasuo often gets absolutely dumpstered in Diamond. Shaco, on the other hand...

Unreformed ShacoNov 2, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2qR2rMY3,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-01T13:49:50.721+0000)

Balance team averages around diamond rank. Yasuo often gets absolutely dumpstered in Diamond. Shaco, on the other hand...

49.06% winrate in Diamond on Shaco. 50.86% winrate in Diamond with Yasuo.

Yasuo played MUCH more often than Shaco.

Shaco is almost entirely played by OTP of him, whereas Yasuo is played by morons and mains alike.

Do you get tired of being wrong?

Also, FYI for most of the season, the one trick shaco players who spent majority of the seasons in high diamond/master/chal have fallen.

There are fewer than ever before.

Frontline FuryNov 2, 20171 votes

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49.06% winrate in Diamond on Shaco. 50.86% winrate in Diamond with Yasuo.

Yasuo played MUCH more often than Shaco.

Shaco is almost entirely played by OTP of him, whereas Yasuo is played by morons and mains alike.

Do you get tired of being wrong?

Also, FYI for most of the season, the one trick shaco players who spent majority of the seasons in high diamond/master/chal have fallen.

There are fewer than ever before.

Perhaps that's because they refuse to adapt to newer meta. You all cling to your season 3 playstyles without even trying to change your strategies or item builds.

The fact all high-ranking shaco mains have fallen only proves they were only there due to a busted champion rather than personal skill. If they really were deserving of their rank, they'd be able to stay there either using their "overnerfed" otp or some other champion.

Shaco is an early game champion, similar to ezreal. He falls off sharply in the mid-late game, just like ezreal. If you fail to close games in the early game then perhaps something is wrong with you, and not your champion.

I climbed to Diamond playing champions like Aatrox, pre-rework Xin zhao, release Ornn and Mordekaiser - all extremely unpopular, low winrate champions.

All you have to do is practice until you learn how to play your champion well enough to win with them. Perhaps you're simply not good enough at Shaco to use his kit to its full potential.

Unreformed ShacoNov 2, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2qR2rMY3,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-02T10:36:01.234+0000)

Again, another summoner who knows nothing about the champion, but still likes to cry OP.

Let's take it point by point.

Perhaps that's because they refuse to adapt to newer meta. You all cling to your season 3 playstyles without even trying to change your strategies or item builds.

They did adapt. We have changed build about 5 times this season, because every time something is mildly successful, they nerf him. He is one of the most one tricked champs there is, so the theory crafting around him is huge.

The fact all high-ranking shaco mains have fallen only proves they were only there due to a busted champion rather than personal skill. If they really were deserving of their rank, they'd be able to stay there either using their "overnerfed" otp or some other champion.

What kind of logic is this? If they gut a champion that was previously viable, no matter how good you are, unless you pick something else you will start to fall.

"We are removing all of Rivens skills and she can no longer leave base"

Suddenly there is no more challenger Rivens. I guess that's because they were only there due to a busted champion.

Seriously, how stupid is that argument?

I climbed to Diamond playing champions like Aatrox, pre-rework Xin zhao, release Ornn and Mordekaiser - all extremely unpopular, low winrate champions.

Xin Zhao. Reworked because mindless point to click win or lose statcheck. No great feat there. Talks about busted champs.

Shaco is an early game champion, similar to ezreal. He falls off sharply in the mid-late game, just like ezreal. If you fail to close games in the early game then perhaps something is wrong with you, and not your champion.

I don't know if you are trolling here, or just really enjoy being wrong.

He WAS an early game champ. LAST SEASON. BEFORE HIS REWORK

They removed his Q damage entirely. Not lowered. Entirely removed. They changed his passive to be 130% crit every few autos. Doesn't stack with regular crit, and thats not 100% base plus 130% crit, its just 130% AD. Early game that's about 30 damage before armor.

His W? Deals reasonable damage if an enemy walks in and stands in it. The detonation range is slightly shorter than the fear range, but fears were changed to make you walk away from the source. Unless you walk back in voluntarily, you will take about 70 damage. It's a decent skill, not including the ridiculous wind up time mid-late game.

His E? Damage taken off early game, given huge LATE scaling. But DW, hes an early game champ fam.

His R scales off his damage, which relies entirely on auto attacks, so until he has items, the clone won't do much in the way of damage.

He was an early game champ. He isn't any more. He loses most fights until 2-3 items and relies almost entirely on baiting the enemy.

The fact you still think he is an early game champ shows just how unqualified you are to comment on his state.

https://imgur.com/a/ZD7wJ

Win rate V Time

Source: http://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle

EDIT: Added source for image because it's blurry as shit.

Also, as a post script addition, though I doubt you'll read it after the smackdown you just got:

Armor values on Shaco at level 1.

Live Base: 24.9 Live with standard runes: 34 After this nerf: 26

They've buffed most champions armor values as compensation for rune removal. This change will literally put him below his current armor value. This change makes him WORSE than he currently is, when every other jungler (You know, Jarvan, seen in nearly every worlds match) is getting it increased.

Frontline FuryNov 2, 20171 votes

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Again, another summoner who knows nothing about the champion, but still likes to cry OP.

Let's take it point by point.

They did adapt. We have changed build about 5 times this season, because every time something is mildly successful, they nerf him. He is one of the most one tricked champs there is, so the theory crafting around him is huge.

What kind of logic is this? If they gut a champion that was previously viable, no matter how good you are, unless you pick something else you will start to fall.

"We are removing all of Rivens skills and she can no longer leave base"

Suddenly there is no more challenger Rivens. I guess that's because they were only there due to a busted champion.

Seriously, how stupid is that argument?

Xin Zhao. Reworked because mindless point to click win or lose statcheck. No great feat there. Talks about busted champs.

I don't know if you are trolling here, or just really enjoy being wrong.

He WAS an early game champ. LAST SEASON. BEFORE HIS REWORK

They removed his Q damage entirely. Not lowered. Entirely removed. They changed his passive to be 130% crit every few autos. Doesn't stack with regular crit, and thats not 100% base plus 130% crit, its just 130% AD. Early game that's about 30 damage before armor.

His W? Deals reasonable damage if an enemy walks in and stands in it. The detonation range is slightly shorter than the fear range, but fears were changed to make you walk away from the source. Unless you walk back in voluntarily, you will take about 70 damage. It's a decent skill, not including the ridiculous wind up time mid-late game.

His E? Damage taken off early game, given huge LATE scaling. But DW, hes an early game champ fam.

His R scales off his damage, which relies entirely on auto attacks, so until he has items, the clone won't do much in the way of damage.

He was an early game champ. He isn't any more. He loses most fights until 2-3 items and relies almost entirely on baiting the enemy.

The fact you still think he is an early game champ shows just how unqualified you are to comment on his state.

https://imgur.com/a/ZD7wJ

Win rate V Time

Source: http://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle

EDIT: Added source for image because it's blurry as shit.

Also, as a post script addition, though I doubt you'll read it after the smackdown you just got:

Armor values on Shaco at level 1.

Live Base: 24.9 Live with standard runes: 34 After this nerf: 26

They've buffed most champions armor values as compensation for rune removal. This change will literally put him below his current armor value. This change makes him WORSE than he currently is, when every other jungler (You know, Jarvan, seen in nearly every worlds match) is getting it increased.

Shouldn't have expected an intelligent reply from a shaco main. My mistake.

Shaco clearly used to be busted if you all succeeded on him before his nerfs and reworks, but fail now. Suddenly you actually have to play well to succeed with him rather than just right click everything, so you come to the boards to cry about nerfs and buffs because your freelo was removed. Typical.

How about you spend less time assaulting people on the boards and more time practicing your supposed one-trick? Then again, why do i bother trying to speak sense into a gold player. Sigh

I give up on you, just like riot has done. If you had been able to resist throwing in personal assaults in your comment i would be happy to prove why you are wrong - but clearly it's much more important to insult me and "win" the argument than to prove why Shaco actually requires buffs to become a good champion again.

The champion is fine. You're not.

Unreformed ShacoNov 2, 20173 votes

What assault?

You were wrong and I called you out on it.

It's not an assault, you were just wrong.

The guy who facerolled Xinzhao calls another champ freelo.

Priceless.

TsunderellaNov 2, 20171 votes

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Perhaps that's because they refuse to adapt to newer meta. You all cling to your season 3 playstyles without even trying to change your strategies or item builds.

The fact all high-ranking shaco mains have fallen only proves they were only there due to a busted champion rather than personal skill. If they really were deserving of their rank, they'd be able to stay there either using their "overnerfed" otp or some other champion.

Shaco is an early game champion, similar to ezreal. He falls off sharply in the mid-late game, just like ezreal. If you fail to close games in the early game then perhaps something is wrong with you, and not your champion.

I climbed to Diamond playing champions like Aatrox, pre-rework Xin zhao, release Ornn and Mordekaiser - all extremely unpopular, low winrate champions.

All you have to do is practice until you learn how to play your champion well enough to win with them. Perhaps you're simply not good enough at Shaco to use his kit to its full potential.

Shaco. Busted.

Wheeze

rebelprincess01Nov 4, 20171 votes

dude u dont understand he played aatrox and xin zhao and orrn and mordekaiser he knows everything about how shaco works and if hes bad or not dont u see the guy is a mastermind cmon.

L Psy KongrooNov 2, 20172 votes

So I just checked, and the Shaco "nerfs" consist of -4 base armor...........and that's it.

I mean it's not like Shaco has boxes to tank for him or anything. This seems like an overreaction to me, and the effects of this change will barely be noticeable.

Unreformed ShacoNov 2, 20171 votes

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So I just checked, and the Shaco "nerfs" consist of -4 base armor...........and that's it.

I mean it's not like Shaco has boxes to tank for him or anything. This seems like an overreaction to me, and the effects of this change will barely be noticeable.

He's already in a sub-par state. Meanwhile, king of the meta picks like Twitch and J4 cop nothing.

As I said in another comment here, where everyone else is being compensated for the loss of runes, he isn't.

You might think 4 armor isn't much, but for a champ with no sustain or AoE, it hurts.

GildarztNov 3, 20171 votes

ill tell your for early duels...

LauchmelderNov 2, 20172 votes

He needs a rework.

When he's strong he is Yasuo levels of BS to play against.

Ichi Ni SanNov 1, 20171 votes

Speculation ayyy

L Psy KongrooNov 1, 20171 votes

Source?

Unreformed ShacoNov 2, 20171 votes

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Source?

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/10/1031-pbe-update-victorious-graves.html