Why does Zed remain untouched?

Unreformed Shaco··4 votes·643 views

Shaco lose damage on Q, mostly for mobility LeBlanc loses damage on W, mostly for mobility Kha loses damage on Leap, mostly for mobility Rengars ult gets shit on, mostly for mobility

Meanwhile Zed shadow gets to keep all the damage, all the mobility, all the CC he likes.

Shaco has no escape, has to sit and wait for target to die. LeBlanc has her new delay, she has to sit around and wait for target to die. Kha'zix cannot use leap until his target has died. Rengar just runs away like a bitch, but still has to wait for his target to die.

But Oy Vey, Zed gets to teleport back to his nexus immediately knowing that the kill is secured, why risk taking damage?

Absolutely nothing to do with our Korean overlord playing him him, and if we piss off SKT no one will watch worlds and there go our shekels.

17 Comments

PePsiLemoNN3 votes

Zed .. CC

Gildarzt2 votes

are you trying to tell us that you can counter zed with cc?, in that case, can you tell me what assasin can not you counter with cc?

Catastrop1 votes

He's referring to the fact that OP seems to think Zed has CC.

Gildarzt1 votes

oh, my bad then, sorry

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

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He's referring to the fact that OP seems to think Zed has CC.

A slow is still CC. It sucks but it's still CC that helps stick to his target.

Zed genius2 votes

zed nerfs are coming with ardent censor and twitch buffs

Unreformed Shaco2 votes

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zed nerfs are coming with ardent censor and twitch buffs

His numbers are fine though, its the kit itself that breeds problems. Why he is allowed to remain fully functional when every other assassin wasn't is the issue.

Eedat2 votes

Got smashed by a fed Zed last game saltpost confirmed

Unreformed Shaco2 votes

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Got smashed by a fed Zed last game saltpost confirmed

I just don't see why he is treated differently to the rest of the assassin roster.

Eedat1 votes

Because Zed's kit already had his burst delay built into it because of his ult. Hell, it even gives you a ton of warning that its coming

Gildarzt2 votes

zed does tons of damage without ult.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

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I just don't see why he is treated differently to the rest of the assassin roster.

Because he is countered by half the items in the game and most team compositions

Gildarzt2 votes

like every assasin? or are you telling me that zhonyas or ga does not counter every other assasin?

Colton1471 votes

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Because he is countered by half the items in the game and most team compositions

I'm pretty sure an ADC that has no AP scaling will not find Zhonya's useful outside its long cooldown stasis...

Unreformed Shaco1 votes

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Because he is countered by half the items in the game and most team compositions

But so is every assassin. I just don't see why he has a get out of jail free card.

ZedUsanGovos1 votes

Zed has counterplay. CC him until his W or R duration are over, and he's fucked. A Nautilus support, a Leona support, a good Morgana mid/support, etc. Pressure him in lane to keep him behind and he'll get his Duskblade powerspike too late, by which point your team, if they've played their cards correctly, will have some decent objectives and items under their belt.

Zed has mobility, sure. His W can be used as an engage/poke and an escape if it's back up in time. His R serves the same purpose. The only difference is the amount of damage he can deal. If you have a trashy support and no tanks, expect to be shredded. Just by his WEQ. No defense=more offense on the side of Zed. That's on you. If you get your tank to... tank... his Qs, then your team won't take as much damage, meaning that he'll have to fall back onto his R to get a kill, by which point, if you CC him a la Nautilus hook or knockup, your team can melt him.

Zed has damage, because he's an AD Assassin, first and foremost, and an AD Caster. His abilities scale off AD, just like Talon's, or Kayn's, or Rengar's, or Kha'Zix's. He has far more in the way of itemization, and he has far more in the way of utilizing his kit properly in teamfights to get some poke off if he can.

And don't exaggerate his shadow range. If he uses W first, he's going to switch to that shadow first, and it has a fairly decent range. If he ultis first, he's going to W after to dodge any CC and then swap back to his ult shadow so that he can EQE the rest. That has an unlimited range, yes, but he has a one-second delay before he can return. Your teamcomp should be prepared to CC him.

And what CC does he have? The insignificant slow on his E? Invalid point. Shaco, Leblanc, and Rengar (empowered E) all have better CC than him. Hell, if you have a Rengar on your team, just have him waiting in the wings. The moment Zed goes in, get your Rengar to hop on his Ionian ass and p00f him. I've never seen a difference in damage between jumping in as Kha'Zix or just hiding in a bush. Rengar, fair point, because Riot fucked him up badly. Shaco and Leblanc? I'm absolute shit at Leblanc, and I've never played Shaco, so I can't speak on those two.

But Riot himself has said that Zed has what every assassin should have. Both thematically, kit-wise, etc. He has decent mobility and damage. Rengar doesn't have that level of mobility save for arguably his ultimate, which even then is a kamikaze. He presses R, jumps in, and hopes that he does enough damage, right after dying. Riot designed Zed to be a healthy assassin. Decent outplay potential and equally decent counterplay potential. Like one, you must learn the other. Zed mains defend Zed because they know his strengths and weaknesses. We know that once he's CC'd, he's fucked unless he buys a QSS, and even then, it'll be on cooldown for the next teamfight. He does horribly against good ranged mages like Azir (if played correctly) early game, and the Azir should use that against the Zed. Push him in, stop him from getting his Duckblade powerspike, get your own team ahead, ggez that's one less person to worry about.

Gildarzt1 votes

every assasin on lol has counter play, cc and kill him, that's not counter play...

zed can evade a cc with his ult, two if the has cleanse or item 3139 , he has a great mobility and sure, he has no a good cc, but you know what?, shaco has not either, a box that need to be 2 seconds until works is not a good cc, not for teamfight at least.

Zed is right now the best assasin in the game and he is god tier in almost every tier list right now.

I dont have any problem with zed, but if he is so high, you need to buff the others assasins (at least shaco and rengar).

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