When Irelia gets reworked, I hope she'll have a more interesting ultimate

darkdill·Aug 27, 2016·30 votes·1,922 views

I've never been fond of Transcendent Blades. Weak damage, even weaker healing in team fights, and its only purpose really is to act as a Sheen proccer, but that's done so much better on a variety of other Champions (i.e. Corki). Other than that, you only use it to push lanes or for lane sustain, something that makes pushing a defensive Irelia an obnoxious endeavor.

I've also read somewhere that Riot feels the ult fails to fit Irelia's fantasy of "Telekinetic Blades", as there's way more interesting things you could do with that ult slot by now. As for what they might do in the future, that's up to speculation.

Anybody else agree that the Irelia rework should give her a better ultimate?

43 Comments

AnagsAug 27, 20164 votes

Be careful what you wish for.

ARequestOfDeathAug 28, 20166 votes

I mean look at what happened to mordekaiser...

Malicious MetalAug 28, 201610 votes

shudders

ARequestOfDeathAug 28, 20163 votes

I still remember pre juggernaut mordekaiser, he was fun to play, once managed to beat a ryze.

Gary B EnkelisAug 28, 20163 votes

I've heard of clever people using it to weaken a wave so they can dive towards it and get the reset, for outplays. I suck at Irelia and haven't really seen it, but there are very talented players out there....

Bladerunner7777Aug 28, 20163 votes

It's not that hard

You just press W > Q > R (mid Q animation) on a caster minion with triforce

Gary B EnkelisAug 28, 20162 votes

That's kinda interesting how it synergizes or whatever with her kit.

FallenSeruvimAug 28, 20161 votes

I see what you did there? :)

SSShutTheDuckUpAug 28, 20164 votes

With W > Q you can one-shot caster minion anyways. The point is to sacrifice one of the R shots, so you can activate W when you reach your target. That can give you 1-2, sometimes even 3 (if you need to jump like 3 times on a wave to chase the guy) extra empowered AA-s, which is a lot

55976771DEL2Aug 28, 20161 votes

You can't always kill caster minion with W+Q it doesn't work even if you have full trinity because of low base damage. Trust me also if you max Q second then you can one shot him but if you max E second after W then nope he will have about 1 or 2 health left.

That always happens to me...

SSShutTheDuckUpAug 28, 20162 votes

I have a few hundred Irelia games. If your Q procs sheen and W is on you one-hit caster minion with only triforce and AD reds (I use AS quints on Irelia). However that doesn't work if you need to capclose a little larger gap and you need to eecite 2 caster minions, because for the second one your spelblade will be on CD. Then it is useful to hurt them a little with your R. I have trained for these in bot-games, because knowing to reset Q-s, saving W duration and R shots is basically the shill cap of Irelia and being good at that allow you to do some sick plays

55976771DEL2Aug 30, 20161 votes

Dude are you blind, you can';t kill caster minion with Q+W and with full trinity if you don't use your ult! It doesn't work for me. I can only kill if i max Q second but if i max E second then i can't. I tried hundred times and always fail to get kills because of fucing no reset. So i always have to waste 1 ult on wave and with Q maxed second you can Q all caster minions with proc and not worring about failing.

SSShutTheDuckUpAug 31, 20161 votes

As i said- I prefer hitting them with R too, because that way I can activate W when i am already on then, which can give me 2-3 empowered AA more, which is MASSIVE. However Q+W+Spelblade proc DOES execute caster minions.

55976771DEL2Aug 31, 20161 votes

Either i don't have enough damage to kill that caster minion or i build too tanky build.. It doesn't work for me unless after trinity i get more damage item or upgrade one more point in Q...

SSShutTheDuckUpAug 31, 20161 votes

Do you use AD reds?

55976771DEL2Sep 1, 20161 votes

No i use full attack speed rune. 29%

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 1, 20161 votes

While AS indeed scales better late I find AD reds more useful. If you do the math they would give you 10-11 more dmg to your Q, which could make the difference between Q reset and non reset. You can still buy another long sword/doran's blade/Jarum's fist to fill that gap, maybe go for Sterak's Gage, but those are situational items. Try AD reds in a custom game and check if you can execute caster minions with a triforce around lvl 9-10

55976771DEL2Sep 2, 20161 votes

AD reds are not bad but i can't play with them i got used to AS.

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 2, 20161 votes

You could try doran blade start then. It gives a bit of AD (i think enough to execute casters) and 2 dorans are pretty solid versus lane bullies.

55976771DEL2Sep 2, 20161 votes

Yeah i know about dorans but i prefer corruption. I was just angry because of those resets... i could never get them work good.

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 2, 20161 votes

In order to get them you either have to build a little extra AD, vie items, runes, etc, or have an extra point or 2 on your Q. Depending on the enemy comp it could actually be the better option, most;y due to CD decrease and the extra damage, helping to get those resets

WoonStruckAug 29, 20161 votes

You 1 shot casters throughout the game with W+Q after you have TF.

If you only have sheen, that's when you W->Q->R. Unless you're absurdly far behind, that is.

Rare cases where you need to jump 2 minions (thus sheen being on CD) is one of the only reasons you'd use R before engaging. The other being that you need more uptime on your W more than a sheen proc.

Bladerunner7777Aug 29, 20161 votes

Usually when I go in I try to make sure that I'm hitting the minion wave with my ult so once they're weak enough I can freely Q to any caster mid-fight to dodge stuff (or just looking cool)

Pierce The VealAug 27, 20162 votes

Agreed.

JbelsAug 27, 20161 votes

You know what would be neat? The crazy shit you did in Kingdom Hearts when you steal Roxas' keyblades for her ult

55976771DEL2Aug 28, 20161 votes

They should make it have ammo, like an ammo type of ult. Or buff scaling. I mean play AP Irelia and you will see REAL damage from ult.

RisenFromTheAshAug 28, 20161 votes

I think she should send her blades spinning in a vortex in front of her, that quickly travel her current ult range, then return, having a special effect. Either a slow, dragging enemies towards her, or even a sort of thing where her blades surround and trap a target similar to lissandra's ult. Any other thoughts on what a new ult Irielia could have?

JabberwöckyAug 28, 20161 votes

I feel like (I cant remember the names) But imagine Gundam Build Fighters Try, the white gundam, the badass one with the lances that fly?

Something similar, when she ults, the go foward and her AAs become Ranged with those, and she can attack at ranged 4 times (for each blade), and whoever gets a hit, the blade sticks in them, slowing/adding bleed, if she hits all 4 on the same person, it stacks, or can throw it on 4 different people.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 28, 20161 votes

you mean. STRONGER ultimate. how is her ultimate. not interesting. scales with 2 types of offensive points. heals her for percentage. is a skill shot.

you'd rather have point and click bullshit like the rest of her abilities that lacks any counterplay.

people these days. if anything. the only ability that matches her theme is her ult. its a skillshot. telekenetic. HELLO?

"I main this champion and please make them even more freelo thank you" to summarize.

darkdillAug 29, 20161 votes

I do not main Irelia. In fact, I find several aspects of her gameplay to be unhealthy because fighting an Irelia always tends to be an uphill battle, especially if said Irelia player is good. Get ahead of her in health? 2-second stun. Try to push her? Her ult clears your minions and heals her. Harass her? She has sustain. Play safe against her? She has dive. Build defenses against her? She can deal true damage.

As a result, her kit is inflexible to balance changes because even a slight buff to her can make her oppressive.

Bladerunner7777Aug 28, 20161 votes

fk Riot, fk da boards

As someone who would consider themselves mechanically deft at Irelia, the only "fantasy" that keeps me playing her is the Q alone, every other ability just supplements that

W for sheen proc to 1-shot caster in addition to being her main source of damage

E: Using her Q to gapclose on to the enemy without damaging them so you can stun them

R: Weakens minions and heals for le epic outplay$

All I ask is for in an Irelia rework is for:

good source of damage + sheen proc (like current W)
A REASON to not instantly Q to an enemy but instead play more tactically (like current E)
A way to outplay with Q that is supplemented by ult (like current R)

Also, just because I LIKE Q DOES NOT mean I want a rework that forces me to max Q every game in order to play well, that defeats the purpose. I still think Q should be a 1 point wonder like it is now.

VeltoxAug 28, 20161 votes

Just understand she is not healthy in current state.

Bladerunner7777Aug 28, 20161 votes

Yeah, because right now Irelia can get away with maxing Q second because of new TF cdr so she has way more damage than before (1-2 more Qs in a fight outdamage the extra second on the stun)

Good Irelia players should be rewarded for using Q correctly, bad ones should be punished for not.

Currently, the bad ones aren't punished due to increased CDR in her build

SpecterVonBarenAug 28, 20161 votes

The weakness of triforce was always supposed to be that while it gave a lot of stats, it didn't give much of those stats so you needed to be able to use all of them for it to be worthwhile. It should never have been turned into a major stat item for any of its stats.

Gary B EnkelisAug 28, 20161 votes

Can we get Wickd in here? :D

SouL1essAug 28, 20161 votes

Weak damage, even weaker healing in team fights

Oh boy.

One of the highest base damage ultimate at any rank, bonus AD ratio valued at 2.8, and heals for 25% of all AoE damage dealt to champions and 10% of all AoE damage dealt to minions.

And it's supposed to be "Weak damage"?

darkdillAug 28, 20163 votes

When Irelia's never get ArPen? Yes, weak damage.

One armor item on your enemy and it bounces off.