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So, @Meddler, any spoils on the mentioned buffs to Marksmen in 7.1?

Adalvar·12/7/2016, 2:43:25 AM·4 votes·1,216 views

Things like Lucian and Kalista were mentioned. Kalista's buff in 6.24 was pulled even though it made her much more smooth to use. Is she getting her maor bugs fixed?

What about ADC's with a spell in their kits that is either completely useless or detrimental at least? Things like Lucian W, Ezreal W or Miss Fortune E. These take a good chunk of these ADC's power budgets and either serve little-to-no use or can even twist the champion all together (Ezreal W now doesn't even stack Fervor, Lucian W is also bad and Miss Fortune E is a nuisance than skewers her power balance since it can even proc Gypsylord's and even twisted her into a support with wonky builds).

Reworking them would make it easier to make future adjustments without tipping their scales too much (which was the reasoning for the Alistar mini rework, adding a stun to his E and in Riot's own words a way to add further balance levers) and it would fall on the point of being a good opportunity to clear up champion kits with minimal resources used (which was the reason behind Shyvana's recent shifts). And it would remove the issue of sometimes these being spells that feel underwhelming/unfun to use and standing as sore thumb in an otherwise fairly cohesive kit.

So anything you can say about that?

8 Comments

FreshAsFebreze12/7/2016, 2:49:33 AM2 votes

The last thing Marksmen need are buffs.

warpenguin55512/7/2016, 6:37:14 PM1 votes

The only buffs Lucian needs are nerfs to Caitlyn Twitch and Vayne. Kalista just needs a rework.

Rebonack12/7/2016, 7:12:48 PM1 votes

I feel like Kalista needs a completely new passive. Keep the jump on her Q, that's fine. But the rest of the hops need to go. Maybe replace it with some kind of buff she gains if her oathbound buddy gets killed.

Really, I think she would be much more interesting as THE neutral objective control Marksmen. With the hops she's a hard-counter champion. And hard-counter champions CAN NOT EVER be anything other than a niche pick. Whenever a hard-counter champ is also a good generalist pick they simply invalidate whole classes of champions simply by existing.

No hops would open up a tremendous amount of power budget to be spent on the aspects of Kalista that are actually interesting.

As for Lucian and the other caster-Marksmen that are suffering I feel like something as simple as upping AD ratios a bit would probably be sufficient to make them functional. Maybe finally ad a solid AD/IAS item to the game item 1038 item 1043. I would LOVE to see the original Black Cleaver make a comeback.