A few changes I'd like to see

Malicious Metal·Oct 17, 2016·41 votes·1,898 views

Revised build path +5% more AP

-20/30 AP +100 HP -10% slow strength

Slow does now decay over 2 seconds rather than 0.5 seconds

E: Delay lowered by about 50%/speed up R: Ticks increased to every 1.5 seconds, damage modified

W: Voidlings gain MS towards champions affected with Malefic visions

Conflagrate has a minor slow attached to it

+5 MS +3 base armor

+5 MS Slow on E adjusted

+5 MS

I feel this would resolve the entire Rylais issue by not only nerfing the item so that it's an OPTION rather than a must buy but also making it less of a must buy on those champs who rely way too heavily on it.

Upping the Dcap AP amp so that Rylais giving less AP won't impact Mage's build as much

51 Comments

rtbf225618241Oct 17, 20168 votes

If i see one more Rylai thread...

this is getting really annoying.

invisiblecat1Oct 17, 20164 votes

item 3089 : Honestly pumping so much damage into one item just is not a good idea item 3116 : you are taking this at the PoV as morde is building it, an AP mage who is harder to kill is not a good thing item 3030 : I agree, but maybe only over 1.5 seconds Viktor : E changes are okay, but 50% is a little too fast, since it already chunks squishies for 1/2 their hp if he is fed R would make it feel a little nicer, but the every 0.25 seconds or whatever it was before is terrible, and the current one feels too long Malzahar : Why hasn't this been added already? : I feel like if Riot was to do that they need to fix the already buggy hitbox it has, because it is already difficult to dodge Mordekaiser : You main morde, I don't. But these changes seem fine Vladimir : 5 MS is fine, but remember that his W already gives him a little speed. E slow can't go up without the cooldown going up AurelionSol : He is pretty weak, but 5 MS still wouldn't help him, because he feels like another champion that NEEDS rylai's

Just my thoughts, feel free to disagree

NineTailedMysticOct 18, 20161 votes

you are taking this at the PoV as morde is building it, an AP mage who is harder to kill is not a good thing

-20/30 AP is a pretty big disincentive form your normal AP mid building it.

invisiblecat1Oct 18, 20161 votes

Still giving a slow on Aurelion Sol is needed, and he won't care much about the AP, since he still gets it from other items and the extra health with RoA will be a lot

NineTailedMysticOct 18, 20161 votes

Yes, Aurelion Sol. One Mage of many.

doiminat0r3600Oct 18, 20161 votes

Brand's conflagrate can't be dodged. It's a point and click ability that hits everything that isnt affected by blaze if the initial target is hit by blaze.

AngelFrost00Oct 17, 20163 votes

I don't understand why brand is underrated. He is one of the most broken champions in my eyes. With item 3116 item 3151 item 3135 He Melts down entire team. I underestimated a brand on teamfight which cost entire game.

Playing any other champion seeing brand E me or land his passive on me feels like 5 aoe zed ulti combined with teemo shrooms . Note the fact that most midlaners are getting nerfed/reworked, Taliyah Viktor Anivia Azir Cassiopeia Lissandra Vladimir Swain ... I bet he might get buffed after assassin rework.

DJMason88Oct 17, 20168 votes

He relies heavily on his combos, and if the enemy team knows what their doing they will not clump, making his ult harder to hit. He also has no defensive ability or mobility, all it takes is someone to rush onto him and kill him.

AngelFrost00Oct 17, 20161 votes

But he does have very strong lategame teamfights. And some low elo players can abuse him.

DJMason88Oct 17, 20161 votes

His teamfighting is only strong if the enemy clumps together,3 of his abilities rely on the enemy being close together for the w>e combo or his ult. If the enemy isn't clumped they can cancel your ults jumps and the e spread, or you can just lock him down and stop him from doing his rotation. Although it is hard to keep your entire team far apart, especially in the lower elos.

SwarovskoOct 18, 20161 votes

WHAT? ANOTHER TALIYAH'S NERF? Are you serious or did you mean that she got nerfed?

Very Hard EngageOct 17, 20163 votes

morde changes no, hes already bulky enough, he needs raw ability utility, not compensation for bad trades and poor management.

brand no, rylais still surpasses anything you put on conflag, hes primarily fine except for his synergy with rylais, he just shouldn't proc it off his passive.

vlad no, already too difficult to kill, he gets too much burst healing off his Q which is the core issue here. burst healing as shown on darius, is the problem. vlad is one of the champs who should have 325ms specifically for his late game scaling.

glip changes ok, it really should be looked at for being picked up for helping secure key skill shots and additional damage.

rab cap the only great thing you said, but that puts the item over the top as a must build item. rab cap is seen as the premier damage choice for mages but its worthless as a first or second item buy. third is even questionable which it shouldn't be. it ultimately needs a higher base, not scaling. which would say hey, you want ap damage, this is the item to build. to offer a real ap power spike. morellos is the only item which does that at the moment.

rylias doesn't need extra health, its already quite a bit as is. it needs more attention than stat remodeling.

malzahar good positive change.

AS i dont see the harm, but imo hes still too new and unpopular to really say what would make him better to play.

VeltoxOct 17, 20166 votes

Mordekaiser early bulky?did you ever play him vs stuff like Yasuo or Renekton ?

Malicious MetalOct 17, 201614 votes

Trust me, you don't want utility on a kit that's all damage. His Rylais powerspike is justified by him not having inherent CC

And what are you talking about? Level 1-6 Morde might just be one of the squishiest champions. The guy has a sodding 20 base armor!

Very Hard EngageOct 17, 20162 votes

Mordekaiser shields himself for 25% of the damage dealt by his abilities, halved to 12.5% against enemy minion and capped at 25% maximum health. After a 1.5 seconds delay, Iron Man's shield decays at a rate of 1.5% base health per second down to a minimum of 「 6.25% maximum health 」.

this is what you play around, if you cant do it you cant play morde right or ever hope to succeed. if you give him additional base values you scale all of this up too. morde needs ability revamps, thats all there is too it, nothing in it is good or something worth capitalizing on.

not to mention his healing on W + R

StephenizgodOct 17, 20163 votes

His abilities cost hp, he has no mobility, no cc, and is short ranged. Until he builds tanky items, he is quite squishy. It is easier for his enemies to play around his passive than it is for him to play around it. All they need to do is kite/back off until its time to go in. Early game Morde's windows of power are limited and he doesn't have the tank to fall back on during his down time.

WheatloafOct 17, 20163 votes

I'd definitely like to see Azir not married to Rylai's.

Lord GalvatronOct 18, 20161 votes

Or Nashors Tooth for that matter.

WheatloafOct 18, 20162 votes

He's a late-game DPS mage that scales well with attack speed. It's not really strange that he likes the item. It definitely doesn't augment him in as gross a fashion as Rylai's does (though Nashor's, Rylai's, and Thunderlord's are the three things he currently combines to make the problems inherent in his kit just that much worse).

ManwalrusOct 17, 20162 votes

Sounds reasonable.

AnonagonOct 17, 20162 votes

Once again, I'd rather have Rylais (and Frozen Mallet) be straight up removed rather than let people continue to itemize into permaslows.

Morde in particular would require additional work if that were to happen, but I'd rather have a Morde with a slow on one of his basic abilites from level 1 than have any mage get slows on every basic ability.

DJMason88Oct 17, 20162 votes

A lot of champions rely on these items because they have little cc themselves or need to stick to targets better, like A Sol.

Gnart Even CloseOct 17, 20161 votes

And then there are champs like Yasuo, Gnar, Teemo, Cassiopeia, etc

AnonagonOct 17, 20162 votes

Not everyone is meant to stick to targets. A lack of chase potential is an intended weakness for many champions and not something that should be able to be completely itemized out of. There are options that will minimize that problem that are infinitely more healthy than Rylais, such as GLP, Gunblade, Frost Queen's, and Iceborn.

If a champion is truly, 100% dependent on Rylais to function, a la Morde, they would obviously see more significant buffs than other mages should Rylais be removed. Right now the only champions that even come close to that are Viktor and A Sol.

Baron of BreadOct 18, 20162 votes

Malz already has that, btw.

warpenguin555Oct 17, 20161 votes

You forgot the part where Azir and Zyra have their slow amounts on their summons changed to be lower. rest looks good though

VeltoxOct 17, 20161 votes

IF Riot does that we might actually see him buffed a bit.

warpenguin555Oct 17, 20163 votes

Yeah. But leave it to Riot to ignore the easy fix.

AwoofOct 18, 20161 votes

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Yeah. But leave it to Riot to ignore the easy fix.

Implying this would fix Azir. It would not.

Big LincolnOct 17, 20161 votes

give mord 340 ms minimum

ShystoriaOct 17, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Big LincolnOct 17, 20161 votes

okay fine

370

DemoGuideOct 17, 20161 votes

item 3030 active should not have cast time.

Gnart Even CloseOct 17, 20161 votes

I'd love to see a nerf on Protobelt too, especially with Kennen running rampant and one-shotting teams with Protobelt + ult.

Something like a damage nerf, the stats on it seem to be fine, and the idea of a tactical reposition is pretty cool. It's only a problem when it's an extra AoE nuke.

A Dizzy LuluOct 17, 20161 votes

None of those champs except for morde need compensation buffs for rylais nerfs

NadalKenlylOct 17, 20161 votes

Malz already has that "change" afaik, they also get it if the target is ulted according to the wiki.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Malzahar/Abilities

I've also played alot of malz and I'm pretty sure I see this in game.

Sariat1Oct 17, 20161 votes

IT'S A TRICK!! He doesn't care about any of those other champions or items at all, he just needs a good reason to disguise his Mordekaiser buffs! You may have fooled the rest, but you can't fool me, Malicious Metal!

CithriaCOct 17, 20161 votes

A pretty OK/good list, though I think more champions could be on it like Taliyah or even Evelynn.

HazyCloud7Oct 17, 20161 votes

These are extremely reasonable ideas. Particularly the Rylai's changes. 70/80 AP means it is now a utility item, not an item that provides great damage + survivability + utility.

In regards to the Viktor changes: Reducing the delay by 50% would put it at 0.5 seconds, which is actually even faster than the old deathray. This would make him the best midlaner in the game instantly. I think just reducing the delay to ~0.85 seconds would suffice if they nerf the slow as you suggested and reduce the ratio on the aftershock slightly. Trading power for a little bit more reliability.

SnowplosionOct 18, 20161 votes

I was about to ask if you were crazy because you wanted viktor buffs, but then I saw the Rylai's changes. Still seems questionable though.

DJ S0NAOct 18, 20161 votes

I would love an HP increase on Mordekaiser though. I would also accept a tiny nerf on his shield if the HP increase happens.

Also: +10 or 15 MS pls.

EvewynnOct 18, 20161 votes

Checks out, though I think the slow on GLP is a little long. It's already a good item.

AirKingNeoOct 18, 20161 votes

Not a rylai's thing but Jax changes.

MonkeyMadnessOct 18, 20161 votes

Conflagrate has a minor slow attached to it

item 3151 You tryin to give me extra cancer? I alrdy had to deal with that shit once when Rito gave us DQ...

The DeckownerOct 18, 20161 votes

Malzahar's voidlings already got very high movementspeed, if anything his passive should be changed, facing that shit in lane is disgisting.

Lucky BiskutOct 18, 20161 votes

This is a bit late but the Malzahar voidlings already get 100% MS when moving toward priority targets which would be targets with Malefic Visions and/or his ult

TheOvermindOct 18, 20161 votes

Well you forgot a lot of fellas who really like that item and will die without it or will suffer with its nerf: Karthus Swain Azir Fiddle a little bit too

Tychusfindlay919Oct 18, 20161 votes

-20/30 ap should result in +150-200 health, 100 is mad stingy for such a huge loss.

It should literally be the mage version of frozen mallet

Meep ManOct 18, 20161 votes

Wat bout Singed ?

nerak23Oct 18, 20161 votes

MonkeyMadness (NA) - about 15 hours ago

Conflagrate has a minor slow attached to it

You tryin to give me extra cancer? I alrdy had to deal with that shit once when Rito gave us DQ...

I'm going to ask you not to use the word cancer as an insult! As we have spoken before and because this board is age 14 friendly ( although, we all must know by now many YOUNG kids read this)...Again, I am asking you and others to Stop Using CANCER as an insult !!!

Anyone who has had "CANCER" in their lives don't let this become the new insult!

Let me remind others that those who have to/ or simply do use insults to get their point across are Weak and need our help.!

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