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I really don't get the boards, especially if they want issues to be resolved and not just to QQ.

Inari Fox Orrion··5 votes·402 views

(Sorry for using "QQ", but there's a character limit for titles.)

The boards complain about the LCS being boring-to-watch, but yet when someone mentions something (I've seen it a lot in regards to Warwick or MasterYi in general, not just my posts) about champions not used in the LCS, people use the LCS as an excuse. The problem isn't really the fact they're right or wrong, it's just the fact people fall back on "It's not used in the LCS so it must be okay" when I'm pretty sure everything used in the LCS is not O.K in normal gameplay AzirRyze.

The boards complain about ADCs and how they're pretty much mandatory and busted, but yet (again, not just from my own PoV) when I see people try something new or off-meta (kinda' like Support summoner 11Singed) I see a lot of dissent and "oh, THIS TROLL HERE who didn't pick an ACTUAL Support by my definition of a Support is why you lost!"

Uninvolving anything involving me, people cry for ZedTalon nerfs even when TwitchTristana all assassinate far easier - the inverse is true, too, because people say that because ZedTalon are telegraphed that it's perfectly okay to have them one-shot you because ADCs do it better and faster. I don't know about you, but I don't find instant death to be compelling gameplay.

I feel like Riot should listen to the boards better, but I can also see the question they ask themselves: "Who do we listen to?" and stop calling me a troll for playing Ahri Support.

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Slythion4 votes

the boards are not one mind

I understand that people here circlejerk eachother a lot, but you seem to miss why for a lot of these topics. For example:

The Singed Smite "support" was banned not because it was an oddball pick but because he didn't actually support, he was just a second jungler. If you weren't referring to that specific event and more about oddball picks in general, of course people are going to be upset about less-efficient picks. You seem to miss the why in the fact that just because people are tired of seeing adcs every game doesn't mean they still arent the most efficient.

You don't change your picks and then change the power. You change the power of adcs and that in turn makes the picks optimal to change. This isn't a case of hypocrisy or the boards contradicting themselves.

I don't think anyone has ever complained about Zed or Talon not being able to burst someone. Ive seen complaints about them being chained to duskblade, and I've seen complaints about some of the delay in cases of LB or pre-revert Rengo however, but not from a power level and more of a game-health level, aka how it feels. As for the burst-per-second for ADCs, that's not contradictory to the last point. The complaint is that assassins don't feel fun to play and that adcs perform their role from a range, there's no contradiction there.

Inari Fox Orrion1 votes

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the boards are not one mind

I understand that people here circlejerk eachother a lot, but you seem to miss why for a lot of these topics. For example:

The Singed Smite "support" was banned not because it was an oddball pick but because he didn't actually support, he was just a second jungler. If you weren't referring to that specific event and more about oddball picks in general, of course people are going to be upset about less-efficient picks. You seem to miss the why in the fact that just because people are tired of seeing adcs every game doesn't mean they still arent the most efficient.

You don't change your picks and then change the power. You change the power of adcs and that in turn makes the picks optimal to change. This isn't a case of hypocrisy or the boards contradicting themselves.

I don't think anyone has ever complained about Zed or Talon not being able to burst someone. Ive seen complaints about them being chained to duskblade, and I've seen complaints about some of the delay in cases of LB or pre-revert Rengo however, but not from a power level and more of a game-health level, aka how it feels. As for the burst-per-second for ADCs, that's not contradictory to the last point. The complaint is that assassins don't feel fun to play and that adcs perform their role from a range, there's no contradiction there.

I need to clarify. Er, thank you for replying in a reasonable/constructive manner instead of "Bruh F### U."

The thing is, though, you can't be sure that oddball picks are inefficient, especially relative to the person whose playing them. In the hands of someone who mains Shaco, for example, Leona may be a better Support due to her CC - but the dude doesn't play Leona, doesn't find her fun, and if he did play her he'd have no clue how she works or the intricacies of her kit, i.e AA resetting with her Q. Some people are also innately drawn to and/or skilled at champions because of their playstyle.

The hypocrisy I've seen wasn't that people were against odd picks, it's that they were against odd picks while wanting variety (in general; ADC was just an example) in the game.

I've seen a lot of complaints about Zed or Talon OHKing people, mainly due to Duskblade, yeah, but that isn't quite what I was getting at. I was more trying to say people say that "Because Zed and/or Talon OHK people, it's O.K if ADCs do it too!" AND "Because ADCs OHK people better, it's O.K if Zed and/or Talon do it too!" As I said, I really don't think instant death is healthy for the game... but... that's another discussion.

T4underbolt1 votes

And guess why people want more diversity in bot but are enraged when someone goes singed with smite as support. Because current state of the game doesn't allow for this to work and be efficient. Imagine a champion that got nerfed to the point he has 1 base ad and his abilities deal 1 DMG as well. No matter how much you try you won't make it work because the game itself has its DMG too low. Same for singed supports. ADC needs support not some trollish tactic.

Inari Fox Orrion1 votes

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And guess why people want more diversity in bot but are enraged when someone goes singed with smite as support. Because current state of the game doesn't allow for this to work and be efficient. Imagine a champion that got nerfed to the point he has 1 base ad and his abilities deal 1 DMG as well. No matter how much you try you won't make it work because the game itself has its DMG too low. Same for singed supports. ADC needs support not some trollish tactic.

but then tell me how MF Support was found out? Experimentation in the same vain. Quinn ADC? Experimentation. Kayle Mid? Same!

Edit: I didn't downvote you, no clue why you got downvoted. I may disagree, but you're not an ass about it so there's no reason to downvote you.

saltran1 votes

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but then tell me how MF Support was found out? Experimentation in the same vain. Quinn ADC? Experimentation. Kayle Mid? Same!

Edit: I didn't downvote you, no clue why you got downvoted. I may disagree, but you're not an ass about it so there's no reason to downvote you.

Well, MF supp was a thing in pro play as duo with Ashe to counter pick Zyra, who was op. Outside this situation MF supp was garbage.

T4underbolt1 votes

Well if someone was trying out this sht in normals and found it effective it's fine. But most people try sht out in ranked and ruin games and fk up your MMR. So anything in ranked that is not known is a potential free win for enemy team.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

lately devs are being considered gods and have high intellegence being worshipped by forum moderators.... because devs hav infinite IQ and are right and correct about everything, geniuses that make great games and whomever oposses or criticises must be silenced for they are wrong!

aka, devs just have massive ego's and no backbone and forum mod worshippers that silence you.

forum rules these days are : you are not allowed to criticise you are not allowed to advice you are not allowed to discuss you are not allowed to have a different opinion you are not allowed to vent you are not allowed to talk about developers

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