"League of Tanks is back! GG!"

Mira Arya Enthe··46 votes·4,970 views

Just played a game where we were somewhat behind. And then in the last half we stomped the enemies, and easily steamrolled into their base. Their Kennen blamed "League of Tanks" being back or something.

Then I looked at their team and not one of them built armor or magic pen. Except their jungle tank. LoL. Please, before you make stupid comments, please look at your build. I destroy tanks, between healing reduction on every auto, 45%+7% armor pen, bonus damage against high HP targets. Tanks only survive if they get about 4000+HP and at least 250 of each defense. Even then they still die to the ADC or APC or Fighter within about 5 seconds if 1v1. It's not "League of Tanks is back! GG!" It's called itemize correctly. You can't build straight AP, Zonya's, Rylei's and Luden's Ekko against 2 tanks and 2 semi tanks.

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Joseph Gladstone35 votes

really i thought it was league of adcs

Mira Arya Enthe13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dunkin Darius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VzeXGMJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-08T15:51:05.409+0000)

really i thought it was league of adcs

Between Lord Dominiks and Mortal Reminder I agree. I main Ashe but I never get to play her because the rework made her so OP. I miss Ranger's Focus crits and support Ashe :c

But yeah, they are looking to nerf Jhin, Ashe and Yamou's soon.

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

ive went against a lucian top quite often

CypherDoom3 votes

i love leauge of adc´s to be honest we suffered a lot during season 5 against the tank meta. ashe and jhin are a little out-tuned though. i would love seeing all ad carries equally strong

Mira Arya Enthe6 votes

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i love leauge of adc´s to be honest we suffered a lot during season 5 against the tank meta. ashe and jhin are a little out-tuned though. i would love seeing all ad carries equally strong

"League of ADCs" is considered the healthiest meta.

Tanks are needed to protect them.

Assassins to kill them.

Mages for safe burst and lockdown.

Supports to aid them.

Fighters to engage on them.

Where as other meta's that focus mostly on any other role, becomes quickly frustrating for everyone. League of tanks means only tanks are good and everyone else is useless. Supports, assassins and ADCs start to vanish, and mid mages lose their purpose. League of assassins makes ADCs and supports worthless. And only bruisers can stand up to them, even then it's frustrating. League of supports results in these frustrating 'carry bot lane' Annie's. League of Bruisers is okay, but it makes assassins worthless and tanks become second class citizens as bruisers end up just better.

An ADC focused meta, even if occasionally annoying with tank melting, is the healthiest meta for the most classes.

Critmaster Garen25 votes

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"League of ADCs" is considered the healthiest meta.

by you and other adc mains.

generally ive seen more people favouring towards a tank meta. the game was actually in its most balanced state in years at the end of season 5 when there was no single carry class, but you could carry from every lane as long as you did well early.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

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by you and other adc mains.

generally ive seen more people favouring towards a tank meta. the game was actually in its most balanced state in years at the end of season 5 when there was no single carry class, but you could carry from every lane as long as you did well early.

Try checking my mastery dude... I am level 7 in Malzahar, 6 in Shyvana, 6 in Teemo and play a lot of Leona. I am not an ADC main... I play Ashe on occasion, because I like her high utility and find her fun.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

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Try checking my mastery dude... I am level 7 in Malzahar, 6 in Shyvana, 6 in Teemo and play a lot of Leona. I am not an ADC main... I play Ashe on occasion, because I like her high utility and find her fun.

Also, everyone hated S5. It was trash. Considered the worst season so far. I liked S2 and S4. S6 could have been okay if it wasn't League of ThunderFervor.

Critmaster Garen20 votes

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Also, everyone hated S5. It was trash. Considered the worst season so far. I liked S2 and S4. S6 could have been okay if it wasn't League of ThunderFervor.

season 6 has clearly been considered the worst season so far. and while season 5 was not great throughout the year, the last 2 month it was the best state the game has been in years.

literally the only people who were unhappy were mage mains (understandable since the class was lacking at the time), and adc mains because they werent the lategame kings anymore.

generally speaking as long as you did well early game, it dindt matter if you played a melee adc, a juggernaut, assassin or marksman. even certain mages.

if you came strong out of the lane phase your team could switch it up and decide to support the mid or top laner instead of the adc, as the carry of the game. thats how the game should be.

of course adc mains didnt like that.

Anidan4 votes

From what I remember, only crybaby ADC mains didn't like it, in addition to the reasonably upset mage mains. I remember for every ADC main that cried about it, at least 5 other ADC mains had to point out how wrong the one was in almost every thread.

Generalizing only creates an 'us vs them' scenario.

Stereo Dreamer1 votes

As an ADC main [and Riven, but you know -- not toxic], I can tolerate practically anything other than being blown up by being within a radius of any champion that isn't even designed to be burst, but still 100-0's quickly or tanks enough to kill my mediocre sum of health in a relatively quick time frame. I did like S5 immensely however.

At the moment: Bruiser/Tank Ekko, Bruiser Akali, AP Sona, Tank Malfite (bursting, tanking and killing is understandable -- but an ult like that enabling to 100-0 with near 0 counterplay even if you have vision is triggering), tank Vi, and tank Xin (even when a Xin was afk for 7 minutes and 3 levels behind with 2 items less bursted down an ADC quickly while initiating beyond ADC's range -- however Xin is not an inherent problem, just a toxicity issue of damage curve all around).

It's a little frustrating and the role [marksmen] feels nearly useless this season unless you have good CC/Utility in your kit to provide something to the team because otherwise you sit and twiddle your thumbs to hope to just clear minions and take turrets and not get one/two shot. (i.e. Ashe ult and vision, Jhin W, traps and Ult, Caitlyn traps and safety range, and Sivirs ult + high waveclear.) There's so much damage going around, that ADC is just for the AD siege habit at this point. You don't need to be a late game monster, but there should be some room for outplays on either side during all phases of the game in some individual way to prevent snowballing from being overwhelming and late game from being overly oppressive. Even at S5 when ADC's late game wasn't melting everything in sight, there were mechanics that made you out to be more useful -- kiting, orbwalking, positioning, casting when and who, etc. that changed the flow. It's healthier when they aren't melting everything imo.

Perhaps it's good ADC's are taking a more team oriented role now, even if the state of such is crude at the moment and needs refinement to become less poisonous; however it is certainly not at a point this season where it is healthy or acceptable -- or even to assume that it just a problem for ADC's, but for pure tanks as well who feel nearly useless unless they have incredible teamfight like Maokai and Gnar (technically bruiser, but even full tank is very useful), or are named Rammus.

//end rant

ForgiveColour1 votes

Lmao do you even play this game? Last 2 months was ruined by double tp and juggernauts. No one liked them lmfao. You biased top lane trash

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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Lmao do you even play this game? Last 2 months was ruined by double tp and juggernauts. No one liked them lmfao. You biased top lane trash

salty adc main?

juggernauts couldnt 1v5 at any point, even after their rework. what they could do is carry with proper support, which is fair and balanced.

skarner was broken then hotfixed for 2 weeks and that was it. the last 2 month of that season, juggs were very well balanced.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Why am I even bothering with someone that doesnt even play this game and is a trash top lane main? Fuck

Critmaster Garen5 votes

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Why am I even bothering with someone that doesnt even play this game and is a trash top lane main? Fuck

because youre a whiny narcissistic adc main who probably comes to the board crying as soon as he encounters any sort of champ who is a carry, but isnt a marksman.

"mage was able to burst me, hes broken" "melee champ deals damge like an adc, hes broken" "assassins are able to 1v1 me, so broken" "i cant 1v1 everyone because the clock hit 30 minutes, buff adc pls"

this is what you usually hear any time adc arent the top dogs dominating the meta, even though at no point in 5 years they were weak enough to ever not be relevant.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I am not an ADC main

I main Ashe but I never get to play her because the rework made her so OP.

wot

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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wot

She is my main, and only ADC. The champions I play most are supports, mages and tanks. That is why I love Ashe, she is the only marksman support in the game, and her utility is what SHOULD make her good, but the rework gave her tons of damage.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

You only hear those comments on these boards which are one big circle jerk. Hell I don't even think that opinion is popular on reddit and its just as bad. And I have never seen anyone in game happy about the tank meta. I think most biased people such as yourself just make things up and since you are getting up voted for saying a popular opinion think its true.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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You only hear those comments on these boards which are one big circle jerk. Hell I don't even think that opinion is popular on reddit and its just as bad. And I have never seen anyone in game happy about the tank meta. I think most biased people such as yourself just make things up and since you are getting up voted for saying a popular opinion think its true.

if that opinion is popular, then its obviously supported by more people than not. otherwise it would get downvoted pretty quickly. in game you have a few loudmouths who complain about the "tank meta" even when its a damage meta, while 99% of the people say only game related things. tanks could generally not see any play at all, and there would still be people complaining about "the tank meta", because they encountered 1 tank in 10 games and lost to that team.

youre contradicting yourself by saying a post is being agreed on, but you still think people disagree. whats your point?

and just for your info, i see a handful of people a week post that they like season 6, while there are a dozen threads and posts every day saying that this is the worst season in years.

there is definitely no impression here that season 6 is generally liked in any shape or form.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

I didn't think it was that hard to understand. That opinion is only popular here, it only gets upvoted here. These boards have all ways been a hive mind, but that doesn't make the statement true in the slightest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4ww0ny/stolen_from_askreddit_who_deserves_a_damn_they/ There are comments from this thread on reddit calling the cinderhulk meta one of the worse meta's with just as many upvotes as this thread. Only on these boards do people consider the cinderhulk meta to have been either good or balanced.

lenny001 votes

i agree tbh. a tank shouldnt be doing more than an adc who built all dmg when he just build resists

Partholonian1 votes

They don't... if both are attacking the same target, like Baron.

Actually they still don't when they attack each other, but the tank also has more HP so they MIGHT outlast, if they're not kited effectively. Lifesteal will probably hose them though, because there's no counter to it that's available to tanks.

Limrick1 votes

League of ADC's makes Tanks useless. There is zero reason to build full tank, because ADC's kill them in 3-4 seconds either way. Damage should be nerfed across the board, and Last Whisper should be heavily nerfed. When an Ashe can stand in place and auto, and kill a mage before they can even get off a full combo is stupid.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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League of ADC's makes Tanks useless. There is zero reason to build full tank, because ADC's kill them in 3-4 seconds either way. Damage should be nerfed across the board, and Last Whisper should be heavily nerfed. When an Ashe can stand in place and auto, and kill a mage before they can even get off a full combo is stupid.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2264098814/48865711

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2261436909/48865711

Been winning all my ranked matches by playing tank and going full tank bro. Haven't had any problems. The new tank items are currently insane.

The problem is people are building tanks wrong. Armor is okay, but can be countered, Mr is okay but can be countered. HP is listed as the counter to everything, in fact, it's even listed as the counter to %HP damage oddly. Because if you do 10% of 2000 I have 1800, if you do 10% of 3000 I still have 2700.

My tank builds for Leona, Shyvana, Sejuani and Naut all get about 4500+ HP, about 150-200 bonus armor/MR. And I have zero problems with getting killed in a few seconds.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

Ashe isnt op...she just happens to be the only adc that hasnt gotten nerfed hard like most of the other adcs

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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Ashe isnt op...she just happens to be the only adc that hasnt gotten nerfed hard like most of the other adcs

except that shes been strong and undervalued for a very long time. for the most part of the season and last season she was always listed as counter to the meta adc.

back when jinx and vayne were at 40% pickrate, then against lucian, and jhinn and a lot of the other currently strong adc.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Ashe isnt op...she just happens to be the only adc that hasnt gotten nerfed hard like most of the other adcs

That's why Ashe, Jhin are being nerfed then.

I'm predicting some Sivir nerfs as well.

BlueBilberry1 votes

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Between Lord Dominiks and Mortal Reminder I agree. I main Ashe but I never get to play her because the rework made her so OP. I miss Ranger's Focus crits and support Ashe :c

But yeah, they are looking to nerf Jhin, Ashe and Yamou's soon.

Soon to become "League of Assassins"? [slayer-jinx-wink]

Komatose1 votes

I main Ashe and I almost always get to play her, even in ranked. Project Ashe has made her a lot more popular too. Seems like you have bad luck, sorry man :/

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scared Famous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VzeXGMJ,comment-id=000000000004,timestamp=2016-08-09T16:46:55.608+0000)

I main Ashe and I almost always get to play her, even in ranked. Project Ashe has made her a lot more popular too. Seems like you have bad luck, sorry man :/

Ashe also is going through an identity crisis.

Her old kit use to have no way to increase her DPS. Instead it had a guaranteed crit on first hit, a slow that cost mana per shot, and a W-E-R that were mostly the same other than the E not being global but giving 1-5 gold per CS. But that was important, because it made her about utility, she was a good ADC because of her slows, stun and vision, and could even play support as her old passive was an assured crit, it didn't need crit items. Plus her old slow didn't get boosted by crit.

Now she has two hyper carry style DPS boosts in the form of her passive and new Q. Making her compete with people like Tristana, MF and Kog'Maw for DPS. which is why she is currently considered broken and is lined up for major nerfs.

Evewynn1 votes

It's been league of ADCs since season 1.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Oh yeah for sure lets count out how adc is the weakest role for the past few seasons including season 6 and cant have an impact in the game until you get to 40 mins LOl. there was like that 1 patch where corki was viable and riot gutted him meanwhile azir viktor has been the meta since forever until recently roflllllll

Oh yeah btw that vlad "gutting" for sure

Evewynn2 votes

If that was true then ADC wouldn't have been the standard for every serious game in those seasons. Tanks, assassins, even mages have fallen in and out of entire compositions but the ADC has never left.

OxyPoro2 votes

Horseshit, ADC has never been the weakest role since they were introduced to the game as a class and never will be, by design of the game, they've been and always will be more or less mandatory so idk what the fuck you are talking about.

IS3E531E3F9643911 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dunkin Darius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VzeXGMJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-08T15:51:05.409+0000)

really i thought it was league of adcs

it has been since the beginning of season 1

Tobias Brackner7 votes

This, though I feel your observation brings up another problem and that is the concept of a "build."

I've met and played with people who will only do one build no matter what all the time. This is a very very silly thing.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tobias Brackner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VzeXGMJ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-08-08T18:12:15.852+0000)

This, though I feel your observation brings up another problem and that is the concept of a "build."

I've met and played with people who will only do one build no matter what all the time. This is a very very silly thing.

Yeah, builds are often too static. For example, the other day I was Leona. Noticed with a corkie ADC doing magic damage, an APC mid, a fid jungle and Garen top. We did not have enough physical damage. So after I got my base support and tank items I bought a titanic hydra. We won and I ended up being a large amount of my team's damage because the enemies built tones of MR and locket. My Titanic Hydra late game was doing 130 bonus to main target, like 200 to secondary targets and the active was around 550.

Builds should change based on situation.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Building dmg on Supports is extremely underrated, especially ones with natural tankiness tools like Leona and Alistar.

Black Cleaver, Wit's End, Abyssal Scepter, Frozen Mallet, and Iceborn Gauntlet are awesome potential dmg sources for Supports.

SlashStriker5 votes

Vayne

łnśane4 votes

It's quite funny seeing people moan and cry over tanks, when you have the items to melt them please people get magic pen or armor pen. item 3135 < great item, item 3151 < gives health and magic pen. item 3036 item 3033 !!! Come on not hard at all!

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Liandries is kinda garbage unless your champ has natural synergy with it.

Meep Man3 votes

Tanks only survive if they get about 4000+HP and at least 250 of each defense

Sion Get upwards of 6000 health with item 3053

Also, this may sound weird, but League of ADCs is the healthiest meta. Assassins have a place in killing the ADC since they are so important. Tanks have a place through soaking damage and providing strong crowd control. Mages have a place through their long range poke for siege and their utility. Supports need to be taken to babysit the ADC. Fighters are a hybrid Tank and Assassin, so they are good for evening out a team's damage in any meta. ADC is good for League of ADC. All roles are needed in League of ADC, although Tank suffers the most since they are countered through sustained damage. Still though, Tanks are used often in an ADC meta, so it is fine.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VzeXGMJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-08-08T18:15:47.224+0000)

Sion Get upwards of 6000 health with item 3053

Also, this may sound weird, but League of ADCs is the healthiest meta. Assassins have a place in killing the ADC since they are so important. Tanks have a place through soaking damage and providing strong crowd control. Mages have a place through their long range poke for siege and their utility. Supports need to be taken to babysit the ADC. Fighters are a hybrid Tank and Assassin, so they are good for evening out a team's damage in any meta. ADC is good for League of ADC. All roles are needed in League of ADC, although Tank suffers the most since they are countered through sustained damage. Still though, Tanks are used often in an ADC meta, so it is fine.

Vayne KogMaw Gnar item 3153

Shyvana item 1416

item 3151

UnboundCreator1 votes

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Vayne KogMaw Gnar item 3153

Shyvana item 1416

item 3151

lmao i love how people overestimate the burn on liandrys so much. that item is awful on everything but a few niche champs

Frius3 votes

4000+HP and at least 250 of each defense.

sure not vsVayne braindead % true dmg with 2.5s

Blumpkin Nation1 votes

Well, I mean. They die to anyone Physical oriented. Tanks dying to APC's late game in 5 seconds is not true.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blumpkin Nation,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2VzeXGMJ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-08-08T18:37:13.130+0000)

Well, I mean. They die to anyone Physical oriented. Tanks dying to APC's late game in 5 seconds is not true.

Depends on your APC. I'm not talking burst mages. I am talking DPS mages.

The Loveless2 votes

Malzahar Vladimir

Blumpkin Nation1 votes

Sustained damage is different than burst damage. Malzahar also deals some mixed damage so optimizing for that is different. Vladimir is just an unfun/toxic champ in general (seriously, why does someone get to be tanky, have sustain, and have burst AND sustained damage?)

Regardless, tanks are supposed to provide the longest distraction and disruption time for the enemy team allowing YOUR APC/ADCs to melt the other tank/team. You're not supposed to live forever and kill the enemy team at the same time.

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

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