How bout those Singed buffs?

InSingedWeTrust·Mar 13, 2015·29 votes·4,853 views

Singed Fling ( ! ) damage lowered to 50/65/80/95/110 from 80/125/170/215. Fling ( ! ) now also deals 6/6.5/7/7.5/8% of targets Maximum health (max 300 bonus damage against minions and monsters)

I'm loving it.

51 Comments

Zone of EndlessMar 14, 201512 votes

Still don't understand why they can't cap Kalista's rend damage

RoyaiChaosMar 14, 20152 votes

Because she has to set up for it? It's different.

Hellish ProphecyMar 14, 20154 votes

But doing 3k damage to Dragon or Baron just by building attack speed and pressing E is highly annoying. And it makes our smite steal if possible completely worthless.

WheatloafMar 14, 20152 votes

It's the fault of those idiots begging Riot to keep some strategic decisions in the game. How the hell are we even supposed to play if we can't beat our opponent just by having a faster reaction time?

Sarcasm self-test complete. Oh good, that's online again.

Big LincolnMar 14, 20151 votes

i think the person with the summoner spell dedicated to objective control should be able to contest objectives

WheatloafMar 14, 20152 votes

They can, they just have to go about it differently. Get Kalista and/or her team off the objective, instead of waiting until it's time to smite it and hoping you're faster. Nunu, Cho'Gath, and Kalista all make a smite-steal nigh impossible; one of them just happens to be an adc.

Big LincolnMar 14, 20151 votes

well, didn't think about it that way but you're right

guess i need to get good

RoyaiChaosMar 14, 20151 votes

I'm not saying it shouldn't have a cap, but it's still different.

YfrappefortMar 14, 20154 votes

It's nice that Riot is looking at Singed, but really, the only thing he need is the tenacity back on his ult.

It's too easy to kite/deny him now in league of ultra mobility.

DEN TEL0SMar 14, 20151 votes

This

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20153 votes

I dont know why they took that away. He wasnt even that overbearing.

SleepyLionCubMar 13, 20153 votes

Dam. why gotta cap it on monsters like dat? I wanna play jungle singed.

junglerboy16Mar 13, 20156 votes

410 max base damage to monsters is still better than 215 base damage to monsters, and it still has an AP ratio.

JunkοMar 13, 20152 votes

Cause 8% max hp against Baron would be overkill

junglerboy16Mar 13, 20153 votes

MY JUNGLE SINGED DREAMS SHALL BE REALIZED!!!

Chromatic EagleMar 13, 20153 votes

Oh god please no.

flibitydooMar 13, 20153 votes

I don't like it.

You use fling for the fling. Not as a nuke.

And this is just adding more unnecessary % health damage to balance the game.

ofartMar 14, 20155 votes

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I don't like it.

You use fling for the fling. Not as a nuke.

And this is just adding more unnecessary % health damage to balance the game.

Singed suffers a lot from being kited and poked. If he does ACTUALLY manage to run up to you and fling without getting CCd before etc. he should be rewarded.

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20152 votes

Honestly it also saves singed from one of his MANY weaknesses, high HP pools. He cant burst, but with this item and a Liandries he can do some considerable damage to tanks.

Silents429Mar 14, 20152 votes

Why the hell does his fling need a buff?

Why does he need a buff at all?

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20153 votes

You're kidding right?

Silents429Mar 14, 20152 votes

No I am not. For a champion that just runs around and poisons people I don't understand why his E has to do percent health now.

He doesn't need any buff, he isn't lacking in any of the areas he is best at.

ElJanitorFrankMar 14, 20152 votes

One of the problems, though, is that his area of expertise is super-ultra-mega niche. He's a bit better than he was, and he WAS just a champion that overall isn't as effective or worthwhile for your team.

Silents429Mar 14, 20151 votes

Yes but this is a problem with his role and kit in general, not him lacking some damage on his E They just made it easier to root people with his E and W that's plenty of a buff, it buffs what he already does, giving his E percent health is just stupid.

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20151 votes

You mean the super difficult but barely rewarding root that you have to land on the many people with multiple dashes while having none of your own? I'll take any singed buffs I can get.

Silents429Mar 14, 20151 votes

A damage buff isn't going to do anything about that, and Singed can up his movement speed, and most players build MS and take ghost too.

Again, Buffing the damage on his E so much won't fix anything.

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20151 votes

A mild increase in his speed wont help him chase people who can dash, if it did, more people would run ghost over flash. Although this buff doesnt fix ALL of singed many problems, its a step in the right direction.

Silents429Mar 14, 20151 votes

Ghost plus his ult, plus the MS items Singed players take. Dashing or not they can't dash forever and Singed WILL catch them, especially if he knows how to land his W.

And what problems does he have? His only job is to run around and be an annoying pain in the ass, which he excels at greatly.

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20151 votes

lack of burst, lack of stickiness to anyone with a dash. Lack of cc for a tank. Lack of initiate. They dash over a wall, he cant follow. Boom, singed averted.

Silents429Mar 15, 20151 votes

Oh I'm sorry I thought a flip, root, and slow were CC. Not every champion needs burst, doesn't need stickiness, simply outruns people with or without dashes.

Dashing over a wall? Very few mobile champions can go over walls with their abilities, and if you mean flash, then that crappy logic applies to every champion in the game.

ThefriendlyorcMar 15, 20151 votes

A root that is only used effectively if you have it properly set up, they have no dashes or concept of positioning.

As for champions with wall dashes... Ahri Aatrox Akali Amumu Azir Caitlyn Corki Elise Ezreal Fizz Fiora JarvanIV Jax Graves Gnar Gragas Katarina Kassadin Khazix LeeSin Leblanc Malphite Lucian Lissandra Renekton RekSai Shen Shaco Sejuani Riven Zed Tryndamere Tristana Nidalee So yeah, just a few you MIGHT run into who may be able to evade you, oh, AND anyone who took flash because you're coerced into taking ghost on Singed. But no, he's in a GREAT place and you see him all the time... right?

Silents429Mar 15, 20151 votes

Aatrox Azir Caitlyn Elise Ezreal Fizz JarvanIV Gragas Kassadin Khazix Tryndamere Gnar Zed Tristana Shen Shaco Sejuani RekSai Lissandra Leblanc Nidalee Riven

The rest either have to use their ult, can't get over walls (see Graves Lucian ) Or require a ward or target to jump too.

And might I remind you this is a small amount of champions in the massive pool of over 120 champions.

Lets not forget Riven or Liss for example have a delay before they go over and can have it interupted by his E

Maybe you don't understand the greatness of wasting an enemies ult, ward, or flash but I say just running at someone to get them to burn any of those is more then worth it.

Singed doesn't get played because he is boring, if you had to make a vote on the forums for the most boring champion to play he would get picked, yes the first few games you might get a chuckle at what you are doing, but he becomes so repetitive and obnoxious to play as. Oh look you are going to run around this team fight and watch morons chase you, or smart people ignore you and kill the rest of your team.

ThefriendlyorcMar 15, 20151 votes

Only one who has to use his ult to leap over walls is Kassadin. The rest have it as a basic ability. Also Graves AND lucian CAN leap over small walls. If people chase you all the time and dont know how to use their basic abilities to escape from gradual moving dot monster then please, continue, I love seeing a successful singed, He's my favorite character hands down, but Literally ALL of the champions I mentioned make short work of Singed, not to mention the true damage users like Vayne, Darius, Chogath Etc. He has a lot of issues as his kit is ancient, but he's still fun as hell to play, hopefully this % damage buff will make him a little more popular against tanks, as its one of his strengths.

Silents429Mar 15, 20151 votes

Oh right Malphite Akali must have slipped your mind.

And didn't even comment on the fact most of those required a target.

Also how many small walls exist? just the few on the river, where most fights don't take place in the first place.

And you are lightly noting how he is "gradual" when in reality he can slow you and speed himself up significantly, and as someone who supposedly plays Singed a lot, you should have witnessed this, I know I have.

Vayne maybe, Darius? Yeah he will keep up I am sure. Cho Gath can chunk him, but considering it isn't uncommon to have massive health on Singed, it wouldn't matter much.

Ragnar42Mar 14, 20151 votes

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Ghost plus his ult, plus the MS items Singed players take. Dashing or not they can't dash forever and Singed WILL catch them, especially if he knows how to land his W.

And what problems does he have? His only job is to run around and be an annoying pain in the ass, which he excels at greatly.

This is not his only job. He has a late-game job. Which is to run in, grab someone under turret, which creates a pick, that turns the game into a 4v5.

There is nothing more back-breaking in a Game of LOL than watching a heat-seeking Singed Pop Ghost, R, Dive-Helmet item 3800 and streak in from the backline to pick off your ADC and melt him. Then go right back to splitting.

This Buff gives Singed Dueling strength against Tanky Toplanes that just scale to a point where neither players gives a damn about the other.

It's a pretty boring way to play League where you farm your wave, he farms his, and you spam /laugh at eachother while the other is doing his thing.

Or even worse, the Singed has decided to Proxy Farm so they just ignore eachother in lane. The E Buff is sort of a deterrent to proxy farming because the Singed now has a dueling trading tool that rewards good flip/skyautoattack/poison management.

Silents429Mar 15, 20151 votes

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This is not his only job. He has a late-game job. Which is to run in, grab someone under turret, which creates a pick, that turns the game into a 4v5.

There is nothing more back-breaking in a Game of LOL than watching a heat-seeking Singed Pop Ghost, R, Dive-Helmet and streak in from the backline to pick off your ADC and melt him. Then go right back to splitting.

This Buff gives Singed Dueling strength against Tanky Toplanes that just scale to a point where neither players gives a damn about the other.

It's a pretty boring way to play League where you farm your wave, he farms his, and you spam /laugh at eachother while the other is doing his thing.

Or even worse, the Singed has decided to Proxy Farm so they just ignore eachother in lane. The E Buff is sort of a deterrent to proxy farming because the Singed now has a dueling trading tool that rewards good flip/skyautoattack/poison management.

See I am not seeing what everyone else is seeing, Singed has the most boring playstyle I have ever played, Yeah its wonderful to go and toss an ADC into your team, but then he becomes nothing more then a guy running around poisoning people for the rest of the fight.

Or his more annoying role, split push lanes.

You can rape him in lane, but he is just going to go back and proxy farm, and just like Nasus, he WILL become a monster late game, and all you are doing is delaying the inevitable.

We shouldn't have the only real way to deal with singed be simply to ignore him, since chasing him is fruitless, and his ult makes it obnoxious to kill him.

ThefriendlyorcMar 14, 20152 votes

Is this real life? As a Singed main from way back please tell me this is real life.

Byakuya KuchikiMar 13, 20151 votes

i think it needs to be buffed

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Singed Fling ( ! ) base damage is now 0 Fling ( ! ) now also deals 100/100/100/100/100T of targets Maximum health as true damage(no cap bonus damage against minions and monsters) Fling ( ! ) cooldown is no 0 seconds Fling ( ! ) mana cost is now 0 I'm loving it.

thats how i want singed

Hard4HamstersMar 13, 20151 votes

Is the AP ratio going to apply more % health or base damage?

BeatzBoyFTWMar 13, 20151 votes

Try Singed item 3285

(Does the passive work on his Q?)

DEN TEL0SMar 13, 20151 votes

Nope, but the poison does activate it.

RikariMar 13, 20151 votes

Singed's fling is gonna do more than his poison now lol

BakedLotionMar 13, 20151 votes

The base damage increase sorta makes the buff useless. Its only gonna do like 100 more dmg late game on a squishy.

NeidoxMar 13, 20151 votes

Its not an execute, the damage is total health, not current and it doesn't have a ramp up like Nidalee's Q. So the damage will always be the same regardless of current health.

KingsgraveMar 13, 20151 votes

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The base damage increase sorta makes the buff useless. Its only gonna do like 100 more dmg late game on a squishy.

Yeah but it will deal like 300 more to a non squishy.

UPfreelyMar 13, 20151 votes

i dont't like %hp dmg but im glad hes getting some love

Meep ManMar 14, 20151 votes

So Jungle Singed?

BonkMonkMar 14, 20151 votes

now a small mana buff to at least his w, so it's actually usefull in earlier laning phase. (as in take it at level 4 instead of 8). Can keep those pesky rivens and other all-in dualists at bay.