Mages have absolutely no answer for tanks

Deathﬁre·Dec 12, 2017·10 votes·2,396 views

Even Brand and Malz can't shred tanks anymore it's a joke... liandrys void staff isnt enough magic pene for 200-300+ MR tanks

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RalanrDec 12, 201711 votes

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but for a tank to have above 200 MR that means they’re running short on room for armor right? They’d only do that against an extremely AP heavy team.

Mages themselves aren’t supposed to be good at killing tanks. The ones designed to do so have it built into their kits instead of their items. Probably to prevent burst mages from having decent tank killing potential.

IMO mages are a lot like assassins in the damage department, which makes them more effective against squishy targets.

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

who is supposed to kill the tank? the adc who gets 1 shot? who generally builds crit. the entire point of brand was to shred tanks and blow up squishies and he cant even do that anymore unless fed af

RalanrDec 12, 20179 votes

The ADC that kites and gets peeled for yes.

Iota ThetaDec 12, 20173 votes

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who is supposed to kill the tank? the adc who gets 1 shot? who generally builds crit. the entire point of brand was to shred tanks and blow up squishies and he cant even do that anymore unless fed af

Mages and Assassins are the squishy carry killers, tanks are designed to survive the burst of mages and assassins, but suffer under DPS. Brand is DoT, which I guess applies, but other than that how does he shred tanks? And even then, like you said he blows up squishies and he still does that fairly well due to Sorc Shoes and Liandry’s (flat pen sucks vs tanks).

So the question then becomes, how do you make a mage good vs tanks without outright destroying any other class? because that’s one of the issues people have with ADCs right now, that they can DPS a tank down while also dealing burst damage higher than some classes with crit, which makes them super good against squishy champs.

CrettDec 12, 20176 votes

i mean. should they really have an answer for 200-300 MR tanks beyond void/liandrys? it's not like the tanks can do anything if you kill everyone else first

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20172 votes

should olaf be able to 2v5 a team of mages (brand,lux,malz,xerath,swain) all with morellos dcap/ludens liandrys voidstaff in aram?

Iota ThetaDec 12, 201713 votes

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should olaf be able to 2v5 a team of mages (brand,lux,malz,xerath,swain) all with morellos dcap/ludens liandrys voidstaff in aram?

I feel like there’s a lot of context missing not....aside from the fact that Olaf is not a tank. he’s also one of the only champs that can ignore all the CC of the champs you jut listed.

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

he was raid boss unkillable... him and naut just ran over us it was a joke

EedatDec 12, 20176 votes

Are you under the impression that a fed Olaf doesnt run over AD champs like its nothing as well?

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

would he be able to run over 5 adcs?

EedatDec 12, 20173 votes

If he'sthat fed, yeah lol

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

he wasn't fed... it was aram he just stacked MR and became unkillable, he couldnt do that against 5 ad unless ahead

EedatDec 12, 20174 votes

he wasn't fed

Well he ended the game 22/6/13 sooooo.........

Besides, you're acting like it was literally 1v5. Velkoz and Swain both had more damage than him. Naut and Ori had almost as much damage as him. So it was not this "2v5" that you're trying to make it out to be

PhearBunnyDec 12, 20175 votes

Mages aren't supposed to be an answer to tanks.... That is literally your ADCs job.

If your ADC slot got filled by a Lethality caster like MF, and the enemy team has tanks....well, GL to you, you better win the early game by a lot.

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20172 votes

so what is liandrys? and brands passive? %hp dmg is for shredding tanks but it doesnt do that anymore cause they've buffed tanks so much in the last year or 2

Malix FarwinDec 12, 20172 votes

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Mages aren't supposed to be an answer to tanks.... That is literally your ADCs job.

If your ADC slot got filled by a Lethality caster like MF, and the enemy team has tanks....well, GL to you, you better win the early game by a lot.

the problem is that mages aren't the answer to much of anything, not just tanks and the fact that most mages are rushing liadrys should be a big indicator of that.

dunder killDec 12, 20174 votes

What do you mean Void isnt good enough? Void is hands down better than the LW items

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20174 votes

ya item 3135 is stronger than item 3036 [slayer-jinx-unamused]

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20172 votes

maybe if you added the 20% dmg scaling to voidstaff it would be relevant against MR stacking tank

dunder killDec 12, 20176 votes

It doesnt need it. LW items only penetrate 35% BONUS Armor. Void penetrates 40% TOTAL Magic Resist.

Void is night and day better than the LW items.

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

item 3020 item 3151 item 3135 VS item 3147 item 3033 item 3134 item 3071 item 3142 item 3814 item 3036 who wins?

Sona PingDec 12, 20173 votes

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VS who wins?

Probably the first guy; the first half of his unlisted build isn't stupid.

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

? lol the point is AD have more Tank busting items... they also have more itemization against mages item 3155 item 3156 item 3814 item 3139 item 3140 vs item 3157

dunder killDec 12, 20171 votes

You're joking right? You do realize EoN hasn't given MR for awhile right?. You then go on list components and their completed items to inflate your list kek

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

oh my bad item 3155 item 3156 item 3140 item 3139 item 3111 item 3814 vs item 3157 item 3191

dunder killDec 12, 20173 votes

Yes, hands down stronger. Beyond a shadow of a doubt

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

AD champs have 26% reduced armor, 35% armor pene, 60 lethality and AP have 33 flat and 40% magic pene

Iota ThetaDec 12, 20173 votes

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AD champs have 26% reduced armor, 35% armor pene, 60 lethality and AP have 33 flat and 40% magic pene

Except there is no way an AD champ can build all that and be viable.

dunder killDec 12, 20172 votes

This build XD

35% armor pene,

BONUS armor pen. How are you diamond and don't know the difference? Or are you playing dumb on purpose to make your point sound better?

It's also hysterical watching you desperately trying to compare 5 full items to 2 items plus boots

BONUS let's completely ignore champs have roughly double the base Armor than they do base MR

Plus you need to stack up BC and Lethality is gated by level unlike magic pen

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

I do know the difference, then give mages a stacking magic pene item like BC. AD also are sustained damage dealers so having less penetration matters less on them than it does on mages so mages should have more or even amount of penetration options

DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

AD can also counter tanks with lifesteal, most mages dont have any real sustain options item 3153

dunder killDec 12, 20171 votes

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DeathﬁreDec 12, 20171 votes

why would ryze be more capable of burning a tank than brand? brand has ALWAYS been a tank buster with % hp and max magic pene... it should be enough to at least chunk a tank. not take 10 spell rotations