Make it so Udyr can decrease the mana of his abilitys by level up. Truely this is what Udyr needed, that 3 mana your saving is really going to help you 40 minutes in the game. Yes I see the tiger change but phoenix is still better. So is this supposed too be a joke? Because I fine this so funny.
Kilanost2 votesIve got 400k on udyr and I can say with confidence that the pbe changes address absolutely none of udyr's shortcomings as a champion. This is Riot just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
MikeArk2 votesand i got 700k and i say we need to wait and see
Kilanost1 votesNot really. He's a skill spamming champion that can't spam his abilities till mid-late game without going oom. Hell even his passive requires skill spamming to make use of it. His entire kit basically requires a rageblade now. He has no reliable engage tool that doesn't just get him kited and killed. There is a general lack of cohesiveness to his kit (probably because Riot has no idea how they want him to fit into the game in terms of role/play style).
This isn't going to do anything for udyr. He needs to be made a cooldown based champion like riven and be given a proper engage tool before he can be considered anything but a sub par champion.
Ralanr2 votesCooldown based like Riven? I know that mana doesn't really gate Udyr, but I don't think he should just be resourceless.
Kilanost1 votesBut Riven should be? If anything udyr is more spam dependent than she is (which is why she has no mana).
MikeArk2 votesriven is a full fighter udyr is a fighter/tank if you didnt know if you build him 100 dmg ya he is going to be weak thats why you need to know what to build on him and how to dodge skills look at all my game i dont buy rageblade ever and i do dmg like crazy sorry to tell you you just dont know how to play with the champ if you dont know how to use ur mana right
Kilanost1 votesOh trust me I know this champion like the back of my hand and I would wager better than you.
I also know that the skill you max first is the one you spam the most. You don't break even on that mana cost till late game. This means you're going to suffer more with this mana set up than before. This also doesn't take into account the cost of keeping your passive up or stacking it before ganking. As a result, Udyr will still have to talk most of his blues until late game which, by itself, is a massive disadvantage.
I know how to dodge skill shots. I don't buy rageblade either, But will have to to make use of all this once every 3 hits nonsense on all his skills now.
I have built Udyr 100% damage exactly once. It was hysterical. But never again.
If you can't see blatantly that these changes address non of his weaknesses and, in fact make one of his major weaknesses even worse, you are fucking blind.
MikeArk2 votesthats why you got 50% and i got 65% :3 you are so cute idk i see ur builds and its funny to me you dont even play udyr in rank so cant cry about shit let me ask you do you even know whats counter gank is or counter jungle i dont think so
Kilanost1 votesYou mean the 65% win rate this season where Dexidul carried you to most of your wins? Yea, getting boosted by your friend looks fun. How much are you paying him? Or in reality how much is your friend paying the booster to play on his account. Because he was at a lower than 50% win rate yet the champion win rates over the past 25 days are showing numbers like 64% over 73 games; 70% over 22 games; 89% over 18 games; etc. Not to mention his mmr has been flat for months then in the past 2 weeks he goes from S5 mmr to G3 mmr? Oh not to mention you have 122 games this season alone that were Duos. Yea, don't talk to me about your win rates till you earn them. See I can look at lolking too.
lol oh i do. I haven't seriously played udyr since they destroyed him last season. BTW you're english is falling apart. lock it up.
Now, nothing you are saying is an actual argument against what I'm saying. All your saying is "I make it work." Well you don't. The guy boosting your friend's account makes it work and you're just along for the ride. Your build is the exact same with zero variation every game showing a complete inability to adapt to the circumstances of the game. You have a few games where you performed well, but the real determinant of you winning a game is consistently whether or not your booster does well.
Now about what I'm doing? I'm making a clear argument about why the pbe changes will be unsuccessful. Then you try to come on here and flame me because your boosted win rate is better than mine and therefore you have superiority over me?
Get fucked.
MikeArk2 voteslol bec i do with a friend its auto boosteing for you man i can see you got a bronze brain well enoy bitching online about stuff that you are wrong along lol i will enjoy playing with my main XD and you come here to to clear an argument when there wasnt one lol fuck you are sad bro :D enjoy staying silver for life oh and at last i got friends not like you 
Kilanost1 votesNo what i have is my medical boards in 3 weeks which has kept my eyes glued to books with the occasional foray into the boards to see whats been changing. At least I have a future unlike you. See what I did there?
And despite whatever you think i'm doing that is "sad," coming on here and using your win rate that your friend's boosting service got you to try to demean someone is worse.
MikeArk1 votesAnyways it was fun man talk with someone that cant even answer what a counter gank or counter jungle is :D see you around
MikeArk1 votesFUCK MAN!! you are right wtf was i thinkint trying to play with a teammate i know so we can communicate and win togater help one another fuck its not a 5v5 moba lol is a fps game sorry you are 100% so all the pros in the lcs are fucking boosted fast open a new ticket so ppl will know :( am so boosted god i hope when am at dimoned and you are still at silver you wont get mad at me for playing with my duo And ya you got a good future at cleaning trash on the street but hi what do i know :D its not like i got alot of money and time lol
MikeArk1 votesand btw i always take 2 blue and the next one i give to the mid bec i know how to use udyrs mana right and i will tell you the true i dont even want then to change about him anything i play udyr from season 2 and always loved him the way he is never once i come to bitch in the forms like you like riot going to see ur comment and say ha maybe he is right if they see that udyr is under powerd they will buff him a bit more not every champ can he perfect
MikeArk1 votesi dont get ppl like you why you compline you dont even paly udyr i saw in ur op.gg lol
Jubilee Phoenix1 votesI don't need to play a champion to realize that an extra 3 mana won't do anything.
Lyndris1 votesDo you have any idea how quickly this would stack up with his stance dancing? Well atleast for your low level stances. I don't understand the turtle changes though,,,
Xivilai Anaxes1 votes"hur hur hur we'll facefuck you manawise for using the stance you maxxed but we'll let you take off a liiiiittle of the WE mana costs :^)"
Kilanost1 votesYup thats basically what the mana situation comes to. The fact that they're even keeping him as a mana-based champion is absurd. Other spam-happy champions are either cooldown based (riven) or energy based (lee).
