@malicious metal and other morde mains

GULAG 4 U·Sep 14, 2016·7 votes·995 views

So I've been investing myself into making mordekaiser my to go top laner, but how do i deal with the following matchups?

. Yeah I can't kill this guy. Can bully him but simply can't kill him.

. I feel like it's about who goes ham harder. I take ignite vs darius and go HAM. He can't escape my W nor my Q so yeah...

Eh fuck your mobility ekko. :(

: Yeah the silence hurts.

Builds I run:

The AP tankkaiser: 0/18/12. I always go 0/18/12 or 0/12/18. , either or .

The Triforce build: . Not tanky but stacking on health so my shield will be good enough. Tanky variation: .

Thanks for any replies.

37 Comments

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20164 votes

Try 12/0/18 for some games, I used to take Stormraiders but actually found SotA to be way more useful. Also, Gunblade and Rocketbelt don't stack, don't build them both.

Some cool builds I tend to run are the soaking build; item 3116 item 3053 item 3146 item 3065 item 3742

The 40% car build (with proper runes), which works really well in the current meta item 3116 item 3078 item 3053 item 3065 item 3742

Or just the balls to the walls build item 3116 item 3078 item 3053 item 3146

As for matchups; You can play the poke game against Teemo with E but I usually prefer just playing passively and outscale him seeing that he has zero team fighting presence.

Darius can go either way though I just tend to play around bleed stacks and denying him his heal, going ham might just cost you the game if it backfires and you're left vulnerable

I just bully Ekko and just try keeping him down. Punishing him when he thinks he can kill you is easy, usually results in some free kills.

Garen is easy, just harass with E, anticipate his Q and you're fine. Can't burst you, can't outDPS you. EZ

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

Thanks malicious senpai. I actually forgot the actives didn't stack lol, i almost never bother using gunblade's active lol.

I also meant grasp though, but I'll give SOTA a try. Also is liandries any good?

Ps. Does dancing on Penta morde play music?

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20161 votes

Liandries isn't really worth buying due to the lack of consistent DoT's in Morde's kit. If you want Pen just get Abyssals.

And no, he doesn't play music, not yet at least-

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

Well rip. I thought it did because penta yorick did :(. And since it doesn't looks that good, i guess if i want another skin other than lord I'd go for king of clubs.

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20161 votes

Why would it? Yorick got a rework, Morde's been this way for five years XD

King of Clubs is great for its cheap price tag

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

I just thought it would be cool. Kinda am dead on rp rite now doe.

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20161 votes

PK Morde got dam abs and Guitar though, looks sick too.

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

Yeah, that's cool too. Also I'm the only one who finds it extremely challenging to lane freeze on morde?

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20161 votes

It's all about self restraint. Having easily accessible, spammable AoE wave clear makes it hard not wanting to push

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

Yeah. Also his wave clear feels super clunky sometimes.

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20161 votes

How does it feel clunky?

I think it's rather great, especially since I max E and get two points in W, making clearing waves a breeze.

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

It's really just personal opinion and it's very subjective so yeah.

Also the dragon and the ghosts running it down tyler1 style sucks too.

Malicious MetalSep 14, 20161 votes

His clone AI became buggy with the latest patch, they should be working rather well though and still follow most commands.

They're not as dumb as YOrick's AI

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

Oh please the random turret aggros and the maiden getting stuck in the jungle man...

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

Tried the Sota, it's pretty good. Even though the lack of thunderlords can be seen :C

Tychusfindlay919Sep 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2TAE6QVc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-14T21:27:33.542+0000)

Try 12/0/18 for some games, I used to take Stormraiders but actually found SotA to be way more useful. Also, Gunblade and Rocketbelt don't stack, don't build them both.

Some cool builds I tend to run are the soaking build;

The 40% car build (with proper runes), which works really well in the current meta

Or just the balls to the walls build

As for matchups; You can play the poke game against Teemo with E but I usually prefer just playing passively and outscale him seeing that he has zero team fighting presence.

Darius can go either way though I just tend to play around bleed stacks and denying him his heal, going ham might just cost you the game if it backfires and you're left vulnerable

I just bully Ekko and just try keeping him down. Punishing him when he thinks he can kill you is easy, usually results in some free kills.

Garen is easy, just harass with E, anticipate his Q and you're fine. Can't burst you, can't outDPS you. EZ

Honestly, who the hell is garen strong against anyways nowadays? The poor sod is in a god awful state

MelledoneusSep 15, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2TAE6QVc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-14T21:27:33.542+0000)

Try 12/0/18 for some games,

I like that KDA. :)

Malicious MetalSep 15, 20161 votes

Well, the Metal NEVER dies!

agbudarSep 14, 20163 votes

I play morde here and there.

fun fact windspeaker blessing works for your shield generation AND the heal on your W. Strength of the ages is also very good since you are a late game champion and the more scaling the better.

edit: when garen goes hame on you have both W + Q active so he cannot silence them out. by the time it runs out you have all 3 Q proc's W proc and then finish the trade with an E.

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

Nice, I didn't knew that!

MordepoolSep 14, 20161 votes

Teemo isnt a champ you can kill without him overextending pre 6. Which most wont. So dont worry about it just focus on farm check for jungle fights you can join or roam mid

The rest seems pretty solid

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

But can I outscale a teemo? Because if I can't then playing passive doesn't help.

Also how to deal with darios?

MordepoolSep 14, 20161 votes

For darius don't melee engage on him poke keep distance he will eventually get mad and hook you in. ( let this happen if there is a fresh wave coming in) if you can time it right you can hit Q just before the hook. Hit him full combo and back off/ignite and kill him (before his hook is back up)

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

The other solution was to force him to eat 3 qs, and if he's ahead... well fuck. Better afk than feeding even more :(

MordepoolSep 14, 20161 votes

For garen. You have to be counter intuitive. Most of the time you want to save your R (once hes low)and Q (for once hes in melee) DONT. If garen engages drop everything. R Q E W. Front load the damage and garen usualy disengages

GULAG 4 USep 14, 20161 votes

So play passive and don't try to do anything? I haven't tried this, but preparing the Q, W, and E'ing him before he comes could work, but I'm not certain.

Tychusfindlay919Sep 14, 20161 votes

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So play passive and don't try to do anything? I haven't tried this, but preparing the Q, W, and E'ing him before he comes could work, but I'm not certain.

Garen is way easier than darius. Take however safe you play against darius and divide that by two, there's garen. A lot of morde mains here seem to think morde has the upper hand on darius. I think its really all about noxian might since 9/10 times thats way too much damage output for your shield to endure

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

Yeah, that's something i realized when i played vs darius. He stomped the shit outta me

Fat Bastard GODSep 14, 20161 votes

Yeah, I got about 135k points on Huekaiser, so I may have some decent knowledge on how to build/fight enemy laners.

LANERS TEEMO - Nothing you can do in this lane. I max W first for this lane just for the sustain. Go to wolves/krugs to get a ginormous heal and go back to lane. I rush Visage if the lane really sucks, but ask for ganks, free lane, and avoid poke/trades.

DARIUS - Skill matchup, but you have the upper hand early game. Level 1 he can bush cheese you, and never walk up to him without being confident you can destroy him. Also be very catious when getting to level 6. If he gets it before you and all-ins you, expect to be dunked. Rush Rylai's and if he face tanks your damage/dodge his heal and you heal, he loses very hard. Your passive can do wonders. Max W first than Q. TLDR; avoid his heal, watch for level 1 or 6 cheese, poke with your E early and you'll win

Ekko - Haha. Once he loses his slow on his passive, he will be MUCH easier to deal with. Avoid his Q and stun, and just farm up since you can't really kill him unless he is stupid. Max W and watch him cry as you heal for all of his burst!

Garen - From my lane, this is a STUPID easy lane. He has a silence, but if you keep range and he tries to run up to you to QE, just activate all your abilities and demolish him. Your passive blocks pretty much all of his damage. Care for his level 6 execute. I can only imagine this lane sucking if he Qs you and you don't activate your abilities TLDR; Out sustain, out range, out damage, out tank, out utilize, out lane, out teamfight, out scale.

RUNES/MASTERIES I take: 9x magic pen marks 5x armor seals 4x scaling HP seals 9x scaling AP glyphs 3x MS quints OR... take 9x AP glyphs and 3x AP quints, start dark seal, take ignite flash and Deathfire touch and level 1 100-0 people.

I go 0/18/12 taking Stormraiders for the movement speed boost and slow reduction for great early trades and glueing to people. 18/0/12 is also pretty good, DFT brings some nifty damage and magic pen to hurt more throughout the game.

BUILDS I build Rylai's, Merc's/Tabi boots, Visage, Deadman's/Sunfire, Void staff, and Zzrot. Great damage all around, more healing and better map pressure.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

Backup4nowSep 15, 20161 votes

Teemo: Not actually a problem. Play around his blind, max q, take flash ignite, do your best to outmaneuver him and force him to either take minion damage or take a Q. If he takes a Q, you won.

Darius: Avoid this matchup. Unless you FB him, he automatically wins. He's tanky enough to survive your combo, and has enough damage and stickiness to kill you with ease.

Ekko: Play some Ekko and learn when the times are that he thinks it's optimal to go in, so you can avoid those times. Get some early boots and dodge those Qs. You have no chance of killing him without a gank, and if his jungler comes you're instadead, so keep those in mind.

Garen: Press your buttons before his silence.

masteries: 18/12/0 typical build: item 3116 item 3020 item 3151 item 3285 + (situational) item 3742 item 3001 item 3135 item 3089 item 3102 item 3065 with the most optimal path being void+rabadoodles. Don't be afraid to buy a dark seal to start with, even if you feed in lane it boosts potion healing which is precious on Morde. Runes: 20 magic pen, 27 armor @ 18.

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

Actually maxing Q vs teeto is a bad idea since you can't get in his face.

Backup4nowSep 15, 20161 votes

What would you rather do? Max W and never get a full heal proc since you supposedly can't get in his face, and have no nearby jungle camps on which to get the double heal? Max E and get ~30 base damage per rank and kill yourself because of the significantly higher health cost that gets applied a lot? Either of those options mean instant death in a scenario where you get ganked since you don't have enough damage to kill or build up shield.

At least with Q, the insignificant health cost means it's safe to spam (once it's ranked up so it doesn't have an insanely long cd) and you can still build shield on minions and do enough damage to survive a gank. One point in E and W is almost enough to instantly clear a minion wave and does a lot of damage if they both hit teemo. If you say it's easy to bully him, then the next logical step is to progress from bully to kill, and one q is usually enough to do the job if you built damage and have either pen runes or flat ad runes. If you find the problem to be that you're not sticky enough, take flash ghost.

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

It's not hard to fuck over teemo, it's hard to kill him really, and with his blind and ability to kite you without problems, maxing Q imo is stupid. W's heal is decent on minions, but maxing E is okay too imo.

Backup4nowSep 15, 20161 votes

Well, if you wanna just 'fuck him over', then keep doing what you're doing. It's still a very positive outcome to mess him up but not kill him, as long as he gets really far behind in farm and levels.

If you want to kill him, though, you're going to need to max Q, else he'll get plenty of chances to leave the lane in between trades and thus never die. Q is the only ability you can max that lets you kill in one rotation, especially with the build you run, so learning to play around his blind and capitalizing on his cooldowns is the best way to kill him.

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

Ayt thanks then.