Why does no one play Sivir?

VeterenMantis·Oct 29, 2014·4 votes·3,977 views

Honestly I am a Sivir ADC main and every time I play sivir I am like This is so Freelo. Q amazing ability Great for picking up those low health turrent huggers Spell shield This move is the BANE of enemy teams. The ability to pick and chose which move to block out, with one VERY quick button press. It is game changing, You can block out most stuns,Knock ups,Slows,Most damaging spells,fears,And most Long range ultimates. Bouncing blade isn't to notable unless chained with Sivir's ultimate When it is chained it gives An attack speed bonus. All of this together makes Sivir Freelo.

So why am I the only one? Does she have some weakness I am unaware of? Maybe its just the Low elo but I really feel like Sivir is Freelo.

45 Comments

TilomentryOct 29, 20145 votes

She was one of the Bloodthirster ADC before they changed it. Back then, BT gave a very powerful midgame spike and Sivir could stack it very quickly with her wave clear and then split push very hard.

Now however, IE gives as much raw AD as BT but also gives Crit chance and damage. This makes rushing IE a straight up better choice and Sivir doesn't benefit from IE as much as some other ADC do.

SexyTaylorSwiftJan 20, 20151 votes

I don't know, I think she does. You get IE and then pop your "superspeedy AA" button and you will probably get a crit in the trade lol.

MysticWavOct 29, 20143 votes

Sivir is a great split pusher. But she does have trouble putting out the same raw dps as some other adcs. I love using her against caitlyn. I struggle using her against vayne. I've had fun taking her top a couple times where she can really put her split pushing to work. :)

TeemoHunter1337Oct 29, 20142 votes

sivir

pros: spell shield

cons: -huge mana costs -no escapes or dashes -ultimate useless at times

no good scaling -relies on team (basically kog maw but without the late game scaling)

VeterenMantisNov 10, 20141 votes

Sivir only has huge mana cost of you Spam Boomerang Blade And even if you do If you have clutch spell shields which restore mana.. Sivi'r doesn't need escapes because spell shield absorbes I estimate 70% of every ability in the game. Sivir's ultimate is the core to her whole set. She out scales mostly every other ADC. If she absorbes the right spells. I end up soloing the whole enemy team. I mean Some situations vary but even if I am shut down early game I still do enough damage to carry to victory almost 60% of the time. Play the champion don't just assume Because when you assume you make an Ass out of u and me. Ass-U-Me!

TeemoHunter1337Nov 10, 20141 votes

Sivir only has huge mana cost of you Spam Boomerang Blade And even if you do If you have clutch spell shields which restore mana.. Sivi'r doesn't need escapes because spell shield absorbes I estimate 70% of every ability in the game. Sivir's ultimate is the core to her whole set. She out scales mostly every other ADC. If she absorbes the right spells. I end up soloing the whole enemy team. I mean Some situations vary but even if I am shut down early game I still do enough damage to carry to victory almost 60% of the time. Play the champion don't just assume Because when you assume you make an Ass out of u and me. Ass-U-Me!

u got some problems man

Raja ChachkiNov 10, 20141 votes

sivir

pros: spell shield

cons: -huge(literally gigantic) mana costs -no, and I mean NO escapes or dashes -ultimate useless at all times except for when you wanna get back to lane :)

no scaling....AT ALL sucks (basically your mom but without the late game scaling) BB fixed it for ya :)

IwfiKe3qjMNov 11, 20141 votes

sivir

pros: spell shield

cons: -huge mana costs -no escapes or dashes -ultimate useless at times

no good scaling -relies on team (basically kog maw but without the late game scaling)

and if the spell shield used on wrong time... it'll be hard... and doesn't get mana for spell cost... better rush Essence Reaver and/or Manamune... but idk...

Drunk RummateOct 29, 20142 votes

i play sivir. she's my main ADC. she's amazing.

VeterenMantisOct 29, 20141 votes

i play sivir. she's my main ADC. she's amazing.

Shout out for Sivir Main!

Drunk RummateOct 29, 20142 votes

i play sivir. she's my main ADC. she's amazing.

Shout out for Sivir Main!

I think a lot of people just don't understand what makes her so good.

She isn't a duelist, but she has one of the best ADC teamfights in the game due to her ult and AOE potential. She has a really strong lane phase because she can just shove turrets and then fall back to her own. She's honestly the only adc I know of that can consistently beat caitlyn during lane phase because of this.
She has excellent synergy with melee mids like yasuo and zed because she provides ranged waveclear.

Idk. Sivir is really good, dunno why people disagree.

VeterenMantisOct 29, 20141 votes

i play sivir. she's my main ADC. she's amazing.

Shout out for Sivir Main!

:)

I think a lot of people just don't understand what makes her so good.

She isn't a duelist, but she has one of the best ADC teamfights in the game due to her ult and AOE potential. She has a really strong lane phase because she can just shove turrets and then fall back to her own. She's honestly the only adc I know of that can consistently beat caitlyn during lane phase because of this.
She has excellent synergy with melee mids like yasuo and zed because she provides ranged waveclear.

Idk. Sivir is really good, dunno why people disagree.

If they can't get away fast enough Sivir just rakes her Boomerang BLade across them followed by an ult and ricochet And by that time all of the squishys are dead And we just have that Awk-word Brave half built tank garen who can't stop the push. Spell shield costs no mana Blocks out one entire spell and restores 150 mana. Used right you can out trade any champion in the League. Infact spell shield is my Oh $#!7 button.

VeterenMantisNov 10, 20141 votes

because they don't play sivir through and through. I get roughly 20 kills per game and most of those kill are from over consifent enemys trying to one shot me under a turrent and me walking out alive with a double kill because they just Assumed they would kill me.

In team fights R,W,Q And thats roughly 55.5% of their health gone in a flash. Suddenly they can't engage because we will shred them if they try. Sivir is almost unengagable what I mean by that is they blow their most powerful ability and suddenly they are out 500+ damage and I end up flattening them.

Slightly SexualOct 29, 20142 votes

She used to be pretty decent.

Until Riot completely gutted her W, Q, and Ult. No joke

VeterenMantisNov 10, 20141 votes

If you think shes gutted you don't know what you are talking about..the worst thing they did with sivir was remove her AA range and even that was worth it. I promise you if I had 600+ AA range their would be no hope for any enemy team. GGWP at 15 minutes in for 90% of every game.

Slightly SexualDec 22, 20141 votes

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If you think shes gutted you don't know what you are talking about..the worst thing they did with sivir was remove her AA range and even that was worth it. I promise you if I had 600+ AA range their would be no hope for any enemy team. GGWP at 15 minutes in for 90% of every game.

Thats pretty regular. Someone posting on a forum alt warrior that others don't know what they are talking about.

Shouldn't you be trying to fix your practically dead bronze V rating rather than indulging in some of the most inept forum psy-ops ive ever seen?

NavaruneOct 29, 20142 votes

With the semi-popularity of ADCs in top, I've never understood why Sivir was never picked up there.

Drunk RummateOct 29, 20141 votes

With the semi-popularity of ADCs in top, I've never understood why Sivir was never picked up there.

I've played her there before, it's just a really conditional pick because she's not a good duelist. You can't pick her into irelia, maokai, riven, renekton, tryndamere, etc. but she's very good against Ryze and Rumble.

DrogmyreOct 29, 20141 votes

Because she's the bastard child of an ADC and an AD caster, with most of their strengths and weaknesses combined.

103percentOct 29, 20142 votes

Sivir main here, and as mentioned by many previous posters Sivir is not played for a number of (serious) reasons:

She is the worst scaling ADC in the game. You'd honestly be better off having a janna or nami as ADC for late game than Sivir.
She has really high mana costs combined with low damage and high CDs on her poke spell (Q). Which means she can no longer even attempt to bully/poke in lane.
She is a very unsafe ADC, and is given very little reward for the high risk.
She has no scaling. Really can't mention this enough because it's the #1 thing an ADC has to have to be even considered reasonable. No idea what riot was thinking when they reworked her, killed her AS/lvl and removed all her scaling from all her abilities.

OverpoweredSoapDec 22, 20142 votes

Short range and no dash.

She's a snack for assassins while most adcs with a dash will most likely get away or have an easier time kiting.

Solidair3Oct 29, 20141 votes

Sivir's niche is her ult, which is a fancy mobility aura. But mobility is already so popular, that it's really unnecessary to bring her along.

The other problem is that her kit is perfect for splitpushing, which she simply can't do because the marksman needs to be with their team.

NarasimhaOct 29, 20141 votes

Sivir is strong at Waveclearing and her aoe damage is nothing to laugh at. That being said...

She lacks the upfront damage of Graves and Caitlyn. She lacks the CC that Varus and Ashe have. She doesn't have the late game power of Tristana and Vayne She can't kite like Ezreal and Lucian. She can't poke as well as Corki or Jinx.

She has her strengths, but she's a far cry from 'freelo'.

VeterenMantisOct 29, 20141 votes

Sivir is strong at Waveclearing and her aoe damage is nothing to laugh at. That being said...

She lacks the upfront damage of Graves and Caitlyn. She lacks the CC that Varus and Ashe have. She doesn't have the late game power of Tristana and Vayne She can't kite like Ezreal and Lucian. She can't poke as well as Corki or Jinx.

She has her strengths, but she's a far cry from 'freelo'.

All of that is basically why Spell shield Exists.

NhifuOct 29, 20141 votes

sivir would probably only work with weird pure damage junglers / top picks

but thats a waste since support cc + tank buffer meta works better than straight up damage comps

burst > dps

jinx ult = burst graves ult = burst lucian = overpowered tristana ult = burst vayne ult = burst

simply put attackspeed in an ultimate > when every other adc has attackspeed in q w e.

which is why Ashe isn't "that" great in higher levels of play jinx was only played awhile back but than she got nerfed lucians passive is the best attackspeed modifyer out there MF has attackspeed corki has no attackspeed modifyer, but his Q and E provide so much burst

if the spellshield lasted 4-5 seconds and absorbed all spells, it'd make sivir more understandable to play

why spellshield, when you can sidestep or press F, or have a body blocking support/tank lol

DoogmiOct 30, 20141 votes

Jinx and graves agreed. Lucians ult isn't burst its DPS nor is it overpowered. Locked in one direction has tons of counterplay on top of being able to be blocked. Trist ult burst? Early levels sure because of her strong base numbers however it isn't scaling as an ADC. Vaynes ult is a ms and ad steroid, which isn't burst either. Corkis e has low scaling and is a DPS armor shred ability which isn't burst either. He is considered to have high burst because of his q+r+trin force proc true damage(passive)the reason you would use sivir instead of pushing e or flash is because targeted cc will still hit you. Being able to block cc by yourself can turn fights hard. As far as her ult goes it was all about the ms buff for her team. They nerfed it to the point where the enemy support can just get item 3069 and you just countered sivirs greatest strength to her team

VeterenMantisOct 29, 20141 votes

I havn't noticed any changes. I mean other then Ricochet not doing bonus damage other then that it feels the same.

ILoveTiramisuOct 29, 20141 votes

I like playing her before last nerf. She has a lot of problem in this patch where adc carries more than other.

ILoveTiramisuOct 29, 20141 votes

I like playing her before last nerf. She has a bit of problem in this patch where adc carries more than other. I mean she has low damage in first levels and low range in late game.

DirewolfiezOct 29, 20141 votes

Because she got a minor nerf and stopped being FotM. She's really strong with a few items and can push stupid hard, but she can't put out raw damage as fast as Lucian, in most cases, so people don't usually play her.

Dominick DestineOct 29, 20141 votes

Bad range. Bad ult. Nerfed spellshield (Used to last 3 seconds). Overall garbage character.

VeterenMantisNov 11, 20141 votes

Bad range? the reason she has bad range is because if she had average rage she would be a God Tier ADC. Her ult is her best move.

And the characteristics of a good player are having the reflex's to counteract almost every situation. Your argument is invalid.

SkaarrjjOct 29, 20141 votes

What if Sivir's Ricochet could crit?

Mr SkeletalOct 29, 20141 votes

I won't use her on normal SR, but she's fun for me to play on just about anything else. Her kit really just isn't in a good position for Bot lane matchups.

xDingwithsaladOct 30, 20141 votes

its probably just the elo, good luck though!

2yftLP0KQCOct 30, 20141 votes

because people don't know how to properly use her Q. when i duo, and someone picks annie support, my buddy picks sivir, and we school bot lane since annie only has 1 stun ability after casting 4 spells.

SH AzykanOct 30, 20141 votes

I would use Sivir as a counter pick in certain match ups or with a certain team comps (she works really well with Galio for example) I wouldn't consider her for a main, but she makes a great pocket pick.

Enemy team running a Blitzcrank + Caitlyn bot lane? Sivir's shield is perfect for avoiding grabs and can be used to get free mana from caits traps if needed.

I'd never early pick her over Jinx though if you are going for waveclear, as too many adc's flat out beat her and Jinx is a far safer pick.

Skia AsteriOct 31, 20141 votes

C9 Sneaky has played her in ranked games quite successfully: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/51405#ranked-stats

Pandemic PunchNov 10, 20141 votes

Lucian, Tristana, and Jinx can kill Sivir before she gets 2 shots off. If Sivir is unable to find good positioning in a teamfight then she is useless. You need good peel and a very good front line for her to work well. The crappy thing about solo q is that you can't always guarantee that your team will have the team comp that fits her style.

Raja ChachkiNov 10, 20141 votes

Sivir and freelo don't belong in the same sentence.Sure she is good when played right/she is viable, but why play viable when you can have OP and invincible? That is the mindset of most players in this game. Also for the fact that Sivir's let is basically ToA active, and it does no extra damage or anything besides MS. And she is totally gated by mana. 4 Q's? OOM

FooDangNov 11, 20141 votes

She's a watered down version of what she once was...that's probably why her popularity decreased...

Angry MonsterDec 22, 20141 votes

How can you say freelo when your bronze 5?

problems She has short range putting her in danger when team fighting. Awkward itemization. Items like BC are really nice due to bouncing blades. Though it cuts your DPS a bit. Non damage ULT. You move faster and so does your team so its a great chase / fight starter. But it does not really help you win duels. It does help with running away or chase down kills. Spell shield is great for lane but usually there is enough CC out side of lane to make you blocking 1 spell not a big issue.

ofartDec 22, 20141 votes

It's mostly her range and relatively poor dueling imo. I find her pretty easy to beat (and outscale) with Kog or Jinx. Unlike other ADCs, a lot of her power is through utility.

RaptameiDec 22, 20141 votes

Why would anyone pick a champion that isn't best in class/imba/op?

VeterenMantisJan 20, 20151 votes

the only ADC's I struggle against right now is vayne and twitch. and even with those two its only the stealth that gets me. =3