A Case for Tanks to be the Next Class Update

ModCaptainMårvelous··11 votes·2,508 views

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With the assassin update now in play, Riot's got leeway to work on the next class update as early as mid-season. With Divers, Fighters, Tanks, Supports and possibly junglers still on the table, I want to make a strong case for tanks because out of all other classes I feel they have the most apparent problem.

#The Goal of Class Updates vs. Tanks http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Malphite_0.jpg

Riot's proposed goal, whether you agree or not, is to diversify characters and give them each a unique reason to be picked. Caitlyn is the zoning ADC. Graves is the manly ADC/jungler/toplaner/whatever. Jhin is the long-range artillary. Ezreal is the slippery poke champ. Corki is the mixed damage dealer, etc. Riot wants to make these characters each have a reason to be picked.

Currently, there are two reasons to pick a tank:

  • Peel
  • Engage

That's really it. A special note should be made of Poppy, however, as I feel she's the most unique when it comes to tanks. She's the "Disengage" tank, the tank that can throw away the frontline and prevent people from coming in. Whereas other tanks peel during fights, she actively stops them. That said, almost every other tank is all about going in or having so much CC that the weak characters are protected. Sometimes both. Tanks have no discerning features right now.

#Diversity of Kits vs. Tanks http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/3e/Leona_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160519200849

In terms of tanks, here are champions I consider tanks. Some supports might be thrown in here but you can make cases for or against them. As follows: Alistar Amumu Braum Chogath Galio Gnar (Mega) Leona Malphite Maokai Nautilus Poppy Rammus Sejuani Shen Singed Sion TahmKench Taric Thresh Zac

(Fringe cases IMO are: Blitzcrank Gragas Hecarim JarvanIV Nunu RekSai Skarner Trundle Udyr Volibear MonkeyKing but you can make cases for a handful of others as well)

Now, some commonality you'll find between ALL of these characters makes you realize just how bland tank kits often are. These common traits include:

  • Massive AoE initiation (Sejuani, Amumu, Gnar, Galio, Zac, etc)
  • A large self-steroid for defense. (Braum, Alistar, Galio, Leona, etc)
  • Semi-spammable AoE damage (Amumu, Naut, Zac, etc.)
  • A metric shitton of CC (Naut, Zac, Sion, Thresh, etc.)

It's at this point you'll probably say "Hold on cap, you got some unique champs in there, not all tanks are bland!" Yes, we do. That's why those champs get picked. Tahm's self-peel is unrivaled. Taric's invulnerability has very few comparisons on decidedly not-tank champions. Poppy is Poppy, etc. Yet despite all that, the champions who are so similar end up being a pissing contest about who is strongest.

Most of the time, it falls down to supports because characters like Alistar get a STUPIDLY huge defense buff so his gold deficiency isn't accounted for. Alternatively, their worth is in their kit and not in their scaling. (I could rant for days about Alistar but I'll spare everyone.) Bottom line, tanks are one of the most egregious cases of kit similarity.

#Fixing This in a Tank Update http://stickskills.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/league-of-legends-zac-the-secret-weapon.jpg

I'll be blunt: The tank update would probably be Riot's most challenging work. Not just because of how tough reworks can be but because of the scale of how many tanks need a large change. This isn't as fixable as, say, the ADC update where only a few had super overlap. A metric TON of tanks have massive overlap and need far more than number tweaks.

I won't say that I have a solution either. I'm as much in the dark as others are. What I do want to do is make a strong case for why this class needs so much work. As it is now, tanks are one of the most obvious cases of "Whoever has the best kit wins". It's why Alistar is picked over Malphite. It's why Gnar is taken top over any AoE initiation champion. It's why Zac gets star billing over Sejuani, Amumu and Nautilus.

I sincerely hope Riot has a strong case for tanks in the mid season or season 8. As it is now: They need help. And a lot of it.

22 Comments

HateDaddy4 votes

Another reason that tanks flirt with constant overlap is because their place in a meta rarely has anything to do with how much utility they have or how tanky they can get. Often times, tanks have been popular based on how much damage they can output with limited counterplay. Exceptions here are Maokai because his damage falls off and can be outplayed and Sion because all of his damage can be outplayed.

I think going forward, Riot needs to also rebalance some of the damage these tanks are capable of doing. True damage soaking/beefy tanks like Malphite and Nautilus shouldn't have the ability to press R on squishies and straight up solo them with no damage items.

Ralanr1 votes

They'll have to rebalance their base damage or the base defenses of squishy champions. Since it's usually the lack of defenses that makes them easy to blow up for tanks.

Fondling Gems3 votes

I am a simple man, I see someone supporting the return of tanks, I upvote.

SKT T1 JungMain1 votes

i cant wait for the tank meta to come back omfg. long lasting team fights, good damage, fun gameplay. Tank meta was better than this meta thats full of explosive damage and slows

GULAG 4 U3 votes

So leave aatrox in the shit tier for even longer? Leave irelia cancer as fuck to play against? Leave all divers in a competition to see who is better and only one is a viable pick at a time because all diver kits are extremely similar and to the same thing? No thanks.

ModCaptainMårvelous4 votes

Again, divers have problems but they're not nearly as egregious in overlap compared to tanks.

Divers, right now, are champs like: Irelia Aatrox Jax XinZhao Vi JarvanIV Kled Nocturne Renekton (Plus a few that are fringe cases or ones I might forget)

Yet, comparative to tanks, there is STILL a good amount of diversity among them in their kits. Noc has long range and darkness. Vi has one of the best gap closers in the game. Irelia has the most general kit. Jax has his hyper carry tools. J4 has lockdown and some supportive tools, etc.

They need an update, yes, but they're not in a state as bad as tanks are. In a collective sense. Not a singular sense.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Jax is not a diver (skirmisher), renekton is not a diver and kled isn't a diver to what I know.

There is almost 0 diversity and no, most tanks are in a playable state and they are all decent picks among each other but diver's aren't. No tanks are in need of massive drastic changes like Aatrox, he's been in the shit tier since his last nerfs.

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

There is absolutely diversity in terms of kit, theme and what these characters do when it comes to divers.

You seem to misunderstand: The goal of class updates isn't about putting champs in a viable state. Sure, it gives them more tools, but playability isn't the main goal. The main goal is diversity and giving them all kits worth being picked.

Comparative to divers, tanks are in a far worse spot relative to diversity. I just pointed out that most of the champs DO have tools or slightly unique angles/playstyles, even if they occupy the same definition. Conversely, all the tanks are in a fairly meh spot save for the one that's worth picking. (Gnar toplane, Zac jungle or Alistar support. Take your pick.) Also, Galio is in need of work for FAR longer than Aatrox. Amumu hasn't been tweaked since years ago. Sejuani has been in a meh spot since her cinderhulk nerfs, etc.

I know it's a spicy meme to talk about how bad Aatrox is but to say he's the champ in most dire need of aid is just false. (And Riot would agree with me, considering Galio is salted for a mass rework before Aatrox.)

WoonStruck1 votes

Aatrox isn't an excuse for divers to be next. Aatrox just needs a VGU.

Not saying whether it should be tanks or divers, but Aatrox is not the reason divers should be next.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I didn't say he was, that's not everything I said.

l Helios l1 votes

I agree with you on most accounts. I made a post earlier discussing possible diver changes that could happen in the eventual update. I do see your points and think that tanks could certainly use love as well.

Adriqnohee2 votes

Irelia and Aatrox are on the full VGU list, so even if the divers update came before the tank update, they still wouldn't receive anything more than minor changes, and regarding the overlap on divers kit, both Tanks and Diver suffer from the exact same problem, but tanks have one extra problem to deal with that pushes then ahead of divers, their items are extremely unbalaced and problematic to deal with.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

No they aqren't lmao. Go check the ask riot about Aatrox. Only irelia is potentially on the vgu list.

Ralanr1 votes

I really hope tanks are next. Here's to hoping Riot agrees.

Alpha Omega 23491 votes

i agree with a tank update it breaks my heart to say this but for the most part you are right however i do have a few solutions to some of the champions problems mainly naut mind you since i took a lot of time and have a ton of experience with the guy i think i can comfortably design a rework for my favorite champion that is balanced and ant the same time different from the other champions first his passive and scaling he deals no damage but in return has the most amount of cc in the game my idea is to take that theme and amp it up to 11 so the passive instead o a root change it to a stun at the moment its a bit underwhelming speed up how fast he can get the maximum duration and maybe buff his attack and move speed to something reasonable he is the slowest champion in game with 325 move speed last time i checked next his q not much to change here w new passive titans strength +2 4 6 8 10 % max hp scaling for the shield is the same but the empowered autos also have an aoe slow like frozen mallet e this one is probably the biggest change i have 2 propositions for his e when it is activated he has the standard riptide effect plus it pulls all enemy champions towards Nautilus the alternative i got from an old riot cinematic where he swings his anchor in a ark if he hits a champion he carry them with the anchor if he hits a wall during use of this ability the anchor stops he can activate this ability again to yank the anchor towards himself like a massive blitz hook or alternatively if he hits a wall while he hit a champion with this ability i could have a vane stun effect ult is the same but i did think of an alternative the titans depths it plays into his lore a lot by having him release a huge wave of the black sludge that made him this way but i figured that it was to similar to ammumu and varus ultimates

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

I think we need to do bruisers/divers first. jax xin yi irelia renekton and what not.

Big Lincoln1 votes

leave sej alone, she already has her niche of constant slows and above-average damage for a tank, I don't them to ruin what she has

other than that, there's not really much to do. Riot seems to only like tanks that work as durable CC bots. The "fantasy" of being able to just sit in the middle of a team and pump out modest damage with a little CC sprinkled isn't something they've supported in the past TahmKench and I doubt they'd not remove these aspects in favor of turning tanks into glorified supports, probably only giving abilities that directly soak damage for your team and CC on everything else.

i doubt riot would do a good job with a tank rework if they are unwilling to embrace the ideal tank fantasy

Vicarious1171 votes

Diver-fighters will be next, as it fucking should be. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't actually understand the true state of divers, has a biased view on w/e they think should be next, or doesn't understand how these class updates work and why they're done.

Ralanr1 votes

Care to explain then?

Vicarious1171 votes

What part? I mean my statement of divers being next is cause Riot has fucking said multiple times that divers are after the assassins... so there's that.....

As for the rest, if you think divers aren't in that bad of a spot then you obviously don't understand their state (either must pick OP/ban or completely utterly awful), or you could possibly just be completely biased and hate/love a specific tank or tanks in general and want them next regardless of what class actually needs it, and ofc you could just not understand that these class reworks aren't ONLY to give little bits of variety to certain champs but also to help bring up some older/more stale champs to the diversity/complexity level of the more popular champs within that role.

In any case, divers are next.

Ralanr1 votes

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What part? I mean my statement of divers being next is cause Riot has fucking said multiple times that divers are after the assassins... so there's that.....

No. They said it's still up in the air. Granted I can't find the link that proves this, but I don't see a link that says otherwise.

As for the rest, if you think divers aren't in that bad of a spot then you obviously don't understand their state (either must pick OP/ban or completely utterly awful), or you could possibly just be completely biased and hate/love a specific tank or tanks in general and want them next regardless of what class actually needs it, and ofc you could just not understand that these class reworks aren't ONLY to give little bits of variety to certain champs but also to help bring up some older/more stale champs to the diversity/complexity level of the more popular champs within that role.

I never said divers weren't in a tough spot. Though a lot of the "big" divers I feel need more work than what a roster update can provide. Aatrox, Irelia, and Pantheon need full VGUs IMO.

Now there are other divers that could use a touch up. But let's also take into consideration their item builds. Divers tend to get a few tanky items so they can actually survive when getting into the fight. The vanguard update is most likely going to heavily effect a lot of tank items and how they impact other classes. So if divers came before tanks then they'd have to be rebalanced when the new tank items are out.

In any case, divers are next.

Either could be next. I won't deny that I'm biased and want tanks next, nor will I deny that divers do need attention.

I'll accept whatever comes next when it comes (though it will be grudgingly if it's divers) as long as Riot understands that these two have to be the next ones updated. I don't want to see a support or skirmisher roster update inbetween Vanguards and Divers.

xWaters1 votes

I do not want my Nautilus to be touched. When I first played league at below level 6, he was on the free rotation. I clicked on him, read his abilities, and loved his splash. It's the best in the game in my opinion. He's the first champ for me to get mastery 6, and I'm once s away from level 7. Nautilus provides lockdown and cc, and he's my go to champ in the top lane as well as support.

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