You're probably the same people who thought pre-rework Galio was insanely niche or weak (-- for the record I was 3x Plat with hundreds of Ranked games with old Galio since Season 3).
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He's legitimately overpowered and needs nerfs, people just suck with him.
Supreme Senpai6911 votesHe's not OP but he's definitely not weak either. People need to wait before making judgements on new champions' power or we get situations like Taliyah again. It bugs me how everyone is saying he's super weak and need buffs because if Riot is dumb enough to listen to us and they buff him before people learn how to play him, he's going to become grossly OP.
Then comes the gutting...
SH Azykan2 voteswait I am arguing he is op as fuck especially in the jungle. The guy can burst a lee sin while building full tank his q's base damage is gross cinderhulk + Locket + other tank items and he just is a nightmare especially since he can reactively ult to completely turn a fight around.
Supreme Senpai691 votesHow does he burst... well, anybody? He's an unkillable monster but he's definitely lacking in the damage department.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-26T10:36:29.870+0000)
How does he burst... well, anybody? He's an unkillable monster but he's definitely lacking in the damage department.
Look at his bases and scalings dude. They're amazing. He's got 70% on E, 100% on Q, and 60% on R, iirc. Then he's also got 300 base damage on Q, 200 something base damage on E, and 9% max health on Q.
SH Azykan1 votes70% scaling on R as well + 40% MR and 40% AP on passive which in his combo he gets 2 hits of easily
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=7th Syn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-26T18:52:20.026+0000)
70% scaling on R as well + 40% MR and 40% AP on passive which in his combo he gets 2 hits of easily
Jesus christ...
SH Azykan1 votesI mean with just 
+ 
for his MR/AP with Standard runes/masteries (MR glyphs and AP quints) 12/0/18 (this is with a no stack bounty hunter)
At level 11 his combo is 1885.30016 + 9% of the targets max hp damage
And that is with Abyssal as his ONLY AP item, more ap grows that fast
Supreme Senpai691 votesI'll take your word for it I guess. Though to be fair, if you build anybody with damage items they're gonna burst. But he has high bases because he doesn't really build damage.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesno close like Taliyah case...
ModIts Yuu and Mi6 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-25T10:57:46.658+0000)
He's not OP but he's definitely not weak either. People need to wait before making judgements on new champions' power or we get situations like Taliyah again. It bugs me how everyone is saying he's super weak and need buffs because if Riot is dumb enough to listen to us and they buff him before people learn how to play him, he's going to become grossly OP.
Then comes the gutting...
He is overpowered. Not as much as he could be, but he is.
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wait I am arguing he is op as fuck especially in the jungle. The guy can burst a lee sin while building full tank his q's base damage is gross cinderhulk + Locket + other tank items and he just is a nightmare especially since he can reactively ult to completely turn a fight around.
No he can't unless the Lee is shit.
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Wow anecdotal evidence that doesn't prove anything!
Or you could listen to literally every single last Diamond player I've spoken with, or me who's played Galio hundreds of ranked games (infinitely more than 99.9999% of the playerbase) and can compare/contrast new with old
The only thing that is OP about him is the Q damage, if you can't get out of the after-effect immediately.
Ult and possibly W
is that cinderhulk or runic?
Cinder
is this supposed to prove anything
and is mentioning the fact that you're plat after HUNDREDS of games even relevant (and you're silver now so...)
it's been said already. his power is loaded into his q and his other skills are ok at best. nerf the q, buff the ult or e. No one said he was weak
Shit placements is all.
Plat three seasons in a row.
I'll be gold by the end of the weekend.
Gelmous5 votesnobody thinks he's weak bud i don't know what you're trying to prove
Yuumi or Lose3 votesHe just wanted to brag and show everyone how good he is at the game.
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blueberrypancake1 votesnot anything just proves a 0.000000000000000000000000000001 value of evidence
nice table4 votesplat is perfectly achievable with any champion no matter how weak they are so i don't see your point there
Galiö5 votes[{quoted}](name=nice table,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-03-25T15:15:28.120+0000)
plat is perfectly achievable with any champion no matter how weak they are so i don't see your point there
All of this reply. There are ma y cases of people easily achieving diamond with things like adc ahri. Not just Bot lane ahri... but building her adc items.
ExcusemeFellows1 votesAll of this reply. There are ma y cases of people easily achieving diamond with things like adc ahri.
2/7, 3/7(some other absurd number)(this was last time I checked,(not sure if those are even the correct scores), probably a couple weeks ago, can you link me the acc again?)(I won't deny that they're good, after all, they reached diamond.) screams "carried whenever I play ADC AHRI!" to me.
ModIts Yuu and Mi1 votes[{quoted}](name=nice table,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-03-25T15:15:28.120+0000)
plat is perfectly achievable with any champion no matter how weak they are so i don't see your point there
My point is that I know him thoroughly, not "I got it cuz op"
BakedLotion3 votesis this supposed to prove anything
and is mentioning the fact that you're plat after HUNDREDS of games even relevant (and you're silver now so...)
it's been said already. his power is loaded into his q and his other skills are ok at best. nerf the q, buff the ult or e. No one said he was weak
Sraeg20132 votesThe only thing that is OP about him is the Q damage, if you can't get out of the after-effect immediately.
Who is Taliyah2 votesThe Winds of War is way too strong imo, other than that he is pretty solid
Asayake 5150glow1 votesThe Winds of War is way too strong imo, other than that he is pretty solid
I think ult's a little too fast, compare it to Panth and Shen and not only is it a million times better in terms of CC, it also sets up the rest of his combo to stunlock someone for >3 seconds, and has a decent mix of protection and damage.
Q damage is bullshit against ranged, though. It's almost impossible to not get hit by all of it, because it's huge. I get it's just big enough to hit all three casters, but it's too big against champions.
Galiö2 votesHe isn't weak. He isn't strong either. His does easier basic spell dmg than old Galio. He is less tanky than old Galio. He has less burst than old Galio. Only thing he has is more reliability. You can do almost everything he does in a team fight with Nautilus.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesHe's strong.
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He's strong.
His win rate is 27% and he has less CC than most other tank and only ability that does good damage is Q and a little bit of his passive. So strong.
Baron of Bread2 votesLess CC? That's straight up wrong.
He has an AoE taunt, a single target knock-up and a large AoE knock-up on his ult. That is about as much cc as Leona, Gnar, Sion and Gragas.
Papa Andrei1 votesLets see.... His Knockup is single target and does less damage than Vi, with a delay, and shorter range. AOE Taunt is super telegraphed, lasts for 0.5-1.5 seconds. He slows down while using it, and it has a short range. His ult knockup is situational, only works if enemy stands in the zone.
Leo, Gnar, Gragas can all land their cc much more reliably. Leo can hit hers without much setup, as they are all point and click (Besides root which is super easy to land) Gnar has a big radius around him and can jump in the middle of enemy without being stopped by first person he hits. Gragas Has a line dash cc, much like galio, But he has a free aim AOE displacement.
Baron of Bread1 votesIt is important to remember that Galio is not a Vanguard, he is a Warden. His job is not to engage but to peel, which means often he is dealing with people trying to get past him, not getting him past them.
His AoE taunt is telegraphed because it is super powerful. It has ultimate level potential as a basic ability, if getting the full power out of it was reliable it would have to be an ultimate to not be broken.
The strong part of his ult isn't the cc, it is the long range instant protection of an ally that is powerful. That is why Shen has been in the LCS despite frequent nerfs, sudden protection of an ally and turning a number advantage is extremely powerful. Yes, enemies have to stand in the zone of the ult to be hit. However, that is a large area and would likely require them to back off whoever they were jumping on (or jumped on them) immediately to not get hit. The same is true of Leona's ult (which is ground target, not point and click), except that ult doesn't hard cc outside of the center of the ability.
Gnar doesn't have a 40% or more damage reduction that he can give to allies and Gragas doesn't have as strong a damage reduction (by half) or as much hard cc. We can compare those champion's non-cc strengths, but my point was about CC.
Galiö1 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron of Bread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-26T00:25:48.418+0000)
It is important to remember that Galio is not a Vanguard, he is a Warden. His job is not to engage but to peel, which means often he is dealing with people trying to get past him, not getting him past them.
His AoE taunt is telegraphed because it is super powerful. It has ultimate level potential as a basic ability, if getting the full power out of it was reliable it would have to be an ultimate to not be broken.
The strong part of his ult isn't the cc, it is the long range instant protection of an ally that is powerful. That is why Shen has been in the LCS despite frequent nerfs, sudden protection of an ally and turning a number advantage is extremely powerful. Yes, enemies have to stand in the zone of the ult to be hit. However, that is a large area and would likely require them to back off whoever they were jumping on (or jumped on them) immediately to not get hit. The same is true of Leona's ult (which is ground target, not point and click), except that ult doesn't hard cc outside of the center of the ability.
Gnar doesn't have a 40% or more damage reduction that he can give to allies and Gragas doesn't have as strong a damage reduction (by half) or as much hard cc. We can compare those champion's non-cc strengths, but my point was about CC.
His ultimate potential? You mean his old ult that was instant, immune to tenacity, and dealt almost 700 base dmg?
Baron of Bread1 votesAnd was the vast majority of Galio's old kit?
The potential of Galio's W for cc is comparable to Malphite, Sejuani and Leona's ultimates. It doesn't do damage but it does grant base 40% damage reduction for 2 seconds, so even if you don't hit anyone it is still useful (and even one person refreshes the damage reduction). Yes, you are slowed while channeling, but that just means it is difficult to engage with that ability alone.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesLets see.... His Knockup is single target and does less damage than Vi, with a delay, and shorter range. AOE Taunt is super telegraphed, lasts for 0.5-1.5 seconds. He slows down while using it, and it has a short range. His ult knockup is situational, only works if enemy stands in the zone.
Leo, Gnar, Gragas can all land their cc much more reliably. Leo can hit hers without much setup, as they are all point and click (Besides root which is super easy to land) Gnar has a big radius around him and can jump in the middle of enemy without being stopped by first person he hits. Gragas Has a line dash cc, much like galio, But he has a free aim AOE displacement.
His ult is in no way situational, it's fucking huge and it's only a single second channel.
His E can be comboed with his R.
Same with his W.
His chain CC can easily lock down multiple targets for 3 seconds, giving them ~.75 seconds to act between his E knock up which didn't hit them and his taunt.
Leo, on the other hand, snares someone, which is nowhere near as effective as a taunt or knock up. Then her ult is very possible to dodge, and her Q is her only reliable CC. Gragas has his ult, his E is dodgable sometimes, but the big thing is he's only got 1 AoE cc and 1 singletarget, which Galio has 1 singletarget and 2 AoE. Gnar's is really reliable as well, but it needs a wall so meh.
Papa Andrei1 votesWas mearly comparing them to the examples that were listed.
His ult is situational, it requires an Ally, so it has a criteria needed, thus its situational.
His E ALONE is a delayed dash with a small range.
His W is super telegraphed taunt that can be dodge by anyone with above 340 ms.
I was merely describing the cc to the dude as he values Galio ult to a free aim Leo Ult/Gnar ult.
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Less CC? That's straight up wrong.
He has an AoE taunt, a single target knock-up and a large AoE knock-up on his ult. That is about as much cc as Leona, Gnar, Sion and Gragas.
Leonas R. By itself. Lasts almost as long as Galios e, fully charged w and r if you hit it. At full length of all the spells.
Baron of Bread1 votesHer R CCs someone as long as Galio's W at full charge (1.5 seconds, look it up). Leona Q lasts 1 second, Galio's ult lasts .75 or 1.25 seconds. Leona's E roots for .5 seconds and Galio's E lasts .75 seconds.
Galio can cc for just as long or longer than Leona with larger AoE on those abilities.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesHis winrate is wat? 47% as of today in diamond. Which is insanely good for a new champ. Remember camille who was oh so weak because of her 40% winrate after release?
Galiö1 votesHis winrate is wat? 47% as of today in diamond. Which is insanely good for a new champ. Remember camille who was oh so weak because of her 40% winrate after release?
That's accounting for 'Weekly' old Galio had a win rate of 54% which makes his rework have a higher percent. His daily win rates ate 27% and peaked at 30% at one poi t but then dropped back down.
SpongebobIsLife1 votesis that cinderhulk or runic?
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesur picture don't prove any most of ur game are in normal game... btw would be same in ranked cause u are a plat playing in silver (obviously u'll stomp easly).
But hell yeah, he deserve a good nerf
RexSaur1 votesHes already borderline op.
Wind Whistler1 votesOverall, he's at least a little bit weaker than the Old Galio. More people just play him in general now, so there are more people who don't suck ass with him than the old one, and therefor they get noticed more easily.
ModIts Yuu and Mi1 votesOverall, he's at least a little bit weaker than the Old Galio. More people just play him in general now, so there are more people who don't suck ass with him than the old one, and therefor they get noticed more easily.
He's less tanky than old Galio but offers more chain cc.
Wind Whistler1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mounting Dread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2FaeJByj,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2017-03-25T20:05:15.982+0000)
He's less tanky than old Galio but offers more chain cc.
Can't argue against that, unfortunately. That was never really Galio's thing, though, but... Well, he has it now.
Also, I'm pretty sure Galio did more damage. Not much more, and his new Q probably does more damage now than his old one, but overall, his kit has more damage in it. I'd almost always pump out the most damage out of either team when I used to play Galio.
Krys Star1 votesIgnoring your transparent e-peen flexing, he's strong, can be overbearing, but I don't think he's op. He has weaknesses. Also you can't use your own history as proof or evidence to whether a champion is strong, weak or balanced. That's now how it works.
agbudar1 voteswhat if the history of all people show the same thing?
that you can easily win games with the new galio after you played about 2 days with him?
ExcusemeFellows1 voteswhat if the history of all people show the same thing?
What part of your own history do you not understand?
FantasySniper1 votesLooking at his kit, his base damages are impressive already, and he still has relatively good AP scalings on everything.
His passive isn't exactly overwhelming, but with often it might come up in a fight...
Because MR contributes to his ability's damage resist, it makes any combination of HP + MR exponentially tanky whenever he has his Shield of Durand passive and/or active up. This is where his (current) niche really shines, because using Durand to block not only magical, but also physical damage means that in his ideal match-ups, he would have to build barely any armour, allowing room for AP and/or HP in his builds.
BeatenByALtlGirl1 votesI think he is strong I just feel his Ult is a little lack luster just wish it was not target on friendly and had a better range it is very short distance.
