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Riot needs to decide wtf Camille is.

ApexInTheCircle··83 votes·6,452 views

Is she a hit and run champ? A fighter? A jungler? Or an assassin?

Because right now she's filling all of these pretty damn well.

Don't wanna fight the bitch face to face because she's got true damage and %hp damage and an INESCAPABLE ULT.

Don't want to attempt to fight the bitch with a ranged champ because she will tether her ass to the nearest wall and kick you in the face, stun your ass hit you twice do her sweep while she runs away and wins the trade.

You have essentially made Riven 2.0 in the sense of "fun to play against". I don't like losing a trade because she hard cheesed me. I don't enjoy being 100% stuck inside of the dumbest ult you could possibly think of.

Imagine for a second, if you would, that when Maokai ults and you're inside his ring that you're unable to escape. They would shit all over him in a heartbeat and people would be outraged.

Yes I got shit on by a Camille, yes I'm salty but this bitch is the definition of cancer. I would rather play AurelionSol vs Zed than to have Camille in my game again.

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L0ve Is Blue9 votes

She is a duelist:

Many ways to isolate/get to a single target Opressive lane Lots of single target damage, little AOE damage Mobile Inner sustain/tankiness

Example of other duelist champions

Fiora Yasuo Irelia MasterYi Tryndamere

How to counter a duelist? Juggernauts

Darius Garen Illaoi etc.

While most champions don't want to get jumped in, a juggernaut is happy to have an enemy that will come straight up to it's face because it lacks ways of doing it him/herself, but has the tankiness and damage necessary to have a good trade with the duelist and punish them of getting in their zone of comfort.

EROTIC RAID BOSS7 votes

well, shes a diver, more like irelia or vi, less like yasuo or fiora

EbonyBladeJ882 votes

[{quoted}](name=L0ve Is Blue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zizZId7,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-12-27T13:26:31.773+0000)

How to counter a duelist? Juggernauts

Darius Garen Illaoi etc.

While most champions don't want to get jumped in, a juggernaut is happy to have an enemy that will come straight up to it's face because it lacks ways of doing it him/herself, but has the tankiness and damage necessary to have a good trade with the duelist and punish them of getting in their zone of comfort.

This guy knows and understands how to work around a Camille. He said it better than I probably could, but another way to put it is like this.

When Camille ults a Juggernaut:

(Replaced the GIF with another, since the original didn't want to work)

https://media.giphy.com/media/PogMX6Fd4xPKU/giphy.gif

Sahn Uzal8 votes

Is she a hit and run champ? A fighter? A jungler? Or an assassin?

Uhm... What's wrong with being a Fighter and a Jungler at the same time? Or being an Assassin and a Jungler at the same time? Being a Fighter and an Assassin at the same time would be problematic, but she's not an assassin. Fighters can be bursty, but that doesn't make them assassins. Renekton is a fighter with some amazing burst during the early/midgame, but lacks sustain damage. That's a big part of why he falls off, he'll use his burst on someone, fail to kill them and lack the DPS to finish them off

MLDzXnRRR7 votes

OR remove the stun on her E. Even if they nerf her dmg/tankiness/ cds/wahtever, she will be still facerolling with this stun.

ApexInTheCircle4 votes

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OR remove the stun on her E. Even if they nerf her dmg/tankiness/ cds/wahtever, she will be still facerolling with this stun.

Or turn it into a knockback/mini knock up

Serika Zero7 votes

Here's a list of what rapes camille: Ryze Tryndamere Trundle Darius Kennen Poppy Rammus Vayne XinZhao and maybe more, she's not that overpowered, but she is indeed overtunned and need some effects to go away. I'd take away her healing on W and her true and magic damage. Replace them with bonus PSYCHICAL DAMAGE if needed.

Because when he gets ahead, even if you play one of the above champions. Camilla gona shit on your ass with her utility and magic+true+psychical damage sources........

badooga7 votes

Even Aatrox, in the state he's in, can go even with her in lane.

It Hertz When IP5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zizZId7,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2016-12-27T15:08:44.233+0000) Replace them with bonus PSYCHICAL DAMAGE

Fuck that shit, if Camille gets psychic damage I'm out.

DoktorKaiser6 votes

I pretty much agree, she is literalky the new Riven/Yasuo/Lee/prenerf Fiora or to say in other words toxic cancer of a champion. Some of these things need to happen: remove Q procs on turret, lower true damage on Q massively, make ulti flashable/blinkable/let Malphite ulti out of it ffs its unstoppable force and now you ruined it, make champions block her E to a wall so that she cant escape 5 people with ease just by pressing E anywhere, massively lower the slow on her W, lower the passive shield which makes her literally get COTC when she engages etc etc...

Oleandervine13 votes

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I pretty much agree, she is literalky the new Riven/Yasuo/Lee/prenerf Fiora or to say in other words toxic cancer of a champion. Some of these things need to happen: remove Q procs on turret, lower true damage on Q massively, make ulti flashable/blinkable/let Malphite ulti out of it ffs its unstoppable force and now you ruined it, make champions block her E to a wall so that she cant escape 5 people with ease just by pressing E anywhere, massively lower the slow on her W, lower the passive shield which makes her literally get COTC when she engages etc etc...

You just recommended that she get utterly gutted. All of those being nerfed simultaneously would make her gutter trash.

Additionally, her ult is fine. I cannot express to you how many people I see who just run to the edge and sit there when she ults them, while their team watches. First of all, attack her. If you know you're dead, at least beat her up a bit. Secondly, your team should rush in on her when they can, it doesn't keep them out. Making her ult blinkable/dashable/flashable would defeat the whole purpose of her ult. It would basically mean that immobile champions are 100% screwed by her and that any champion made or reworked after 2014 will ignore her ult entirely. It's not a "broken" mechanic that it shuts down mobility - Cassiopeia's Miasma does the exact same thing for as long as you're in it, and it's a basic ability. Camille's ult does no damage on its own, unlike Jarvan's, so it needs something to distinguish itself. Play her some and understand how she operates before calling for across the board nerfs on her.

ßurst6 votes

Ah a reasonably thought out post. WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE BOARDS HATE THESE MAN

OpiateRunt5 votes

{quoted}

I pretty much agree, she is literalky the new Riven/Yasuo/Lee/prenerf Fiora or to say in other words toxic cancer of a champion. Some of these things need to happen: remove Q procs on turret, lower true damage on Q massively, make ulti flashable/blinkable/let Malphite ulti out of it ffs its unstoppable force and now you ruined it, make champions block her E to a wall so that she cant escape 5 people with ease just by pressing E anywhere, massively lower the slow on her W, lower the passive shield which makes her literally get COTC when she engages etc etc...

So just remove what makes her good?

AirKingNeo2 votes

She has an overloaded kit while also having high base stats. High base stats belong to simple kits like Jax and Darius (except Jax doesn't have base stats anymore).

She shouldn't kill turrets that fast, her Q deals too much, her ult does kinda have no counterplay but eh, her E does let her escape too easily, her W slow is too much, and her passive shield being 20% FROM LEVEL 1 IS DISGUSTINGLY BROKEN.

Nami in Bush4 votes

Diver Irelia Shyvana Yasuo Riven Fiora Vi LeeSinEkko

Anonagon26 votes

I wish I understood what the hell those six champions are supposed to be, because they sure aren't all Divers

Is it some kind of code? SYRFVL? No, that doesn't mean anything...

Nami in Bush3 votes

dont talk to me goldy

Anonagon22 votes

Love how you changed the Sivir to Shyvana, as if that was the only one that wasn't a Diver

Nami in Bush2 votes

Love how you're gold and dont know how to play

Anonagon47 votes

Bruh I could be Faker and say Soraka is an Assassin, it wouldn't make me any less wrong

Schàdenfreude12 votes

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VF5yjPly2Ew/maxresdefault.jpg

Audiomancy3 votes

Soraka isn't an assassin

Not with that attitude, she's not!

Velzard of Koz3 votes

It's still bullshit. Everyone knows Soraka is hybrid Burster/Battle Mage who can alternatively go ADC. The Assasin build is totally unviable. Next time people will try to persuade me Miss Fortune is supposed to be ADC rather than support, pche...

\s

Velzard of Koz19 votes

I am silver/bronze and still have enough literacy to have read Riot's posts to know Yasuo, Riven, Fiora and Ekko are Slayers, Skirmishers to be precise. Shyvana is Juggernaut (though weird). Out of the 8, only 3 are Divers.

Source stronger than any elo: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

macromite2 votes

shyv makes perfect sense as a juggernaut. she dropped the cc requirement and replaced it with a mobility.

MagikarpIsBoss4 votes

Congrats. You are plat 4 and talking down to players of basically equal skill level, and you still have no idea what your talking about. You know its sad when the bronze-gold players have more knowledge than a typical "just hit plat so i must be a god now" mentality.

Nami in Bush1 votes

Season just started, kid.

Check again.

LatetotheRace1 votes

I'm pretty sure that only serves to further his claim. Gold to diamond is a bit fishy imo, I suspect bonobos at play. OR 1 tricking, either way it's sad.

Nami in Bush1 votes

All I had to do was stop flaming in game and playing shit like Bard/Teemo double-jungle. Then I went from playing support to a carry-position.

200k in RP + Triumphant Ryze from tournaments with mostly P1's-Challenger back in Season 4.

My game mechanics and understanding of the game supersedes 99.8% of the players in the game. Weakest point is aggressive judgement, while I prefer to outsmart the enemy than fight them.

http://imgur.com/a/AB7Pc

There's my proof, screenshot from Season 4. Name is now taken by an unranked.

LatetotheRace1 votes

wut?

Nami in Bush1 votes

I've always been God at League, I just flamed my team allot which made me stay Gold for a long time.

Proving my point with the fact I've won 200K in RP from tournaments and have played with Diamonds/Challengers all through my times in Gold.

LatetotheRace1 votes

No, I'm asking what that screen shot means? (By the way, googling random screen shots is easy.)

Nami in Bush1 votes

That screenshot is me (Vi) playing with Challengers and Masters. Old name, now taken by a random guy who has never been gold.

Nami in Bush1 votes

Find it easily then. Shouldn't be hard. Imagine-match to google.

Nami in Bush1 votes

Find it easily then. Shouldn't be hard. Imagine-match to google.

As the ping shows, this was before the server moved. My ping changed by 20 since. Can easily geologically find where the picture was taken.

Sahn Uzal11 votes

Riven, Fiora, Yasuo and Ekko are Skirmishers. Irelia, Shyvana, Vi and Lee are the only Divers you listed.

Gusdel8 votes

Shyvana is called a juggernaut by riot.

Sahn Uzal3 votes

So she is, thanks for correcting me!

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

The only divers in here are Vi and Shyvana, all the rest are duelists or slayers...

Ralanr10 votes

Irelia is a diver as is Lee.

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

All that irelia has to dive is a single target dash, she has 1 single target hard CC and can only dish out single target damage appart from the mediocre damage from her ult. Most definitely a duelist.

Lee could be considered a diver, but his kit is much more duel oriented with single target execution damage, attack speed steroid and he can make picks by using his ult. More slayer oriented.

If you look at let's say shyvana, she uses her ult to get right in the middle of the enemy team and then she dishes out loads of AOE damage with her W, E and dragon form Q. She is meant to jump in the enemy team and can initiate a fight.

Same for Vi, jumps in the middle of the enemy team and initiate the fight while dealing some decent AOE damage with E and ult+ making possible for her team to follow up on her engage.

A duelist and a diver are close in a way where they can make picks on single targets, but the diver will have more teamfight oriented mechanics while the duelist is purely 1v1.

The diver's kit is oriented towards being in the center of the enemy team and soaking up damage while making pics/engages (ex: Vi has a shield passive, Shyvana has a resistance passive and gains HP from ulting).

The duelist has a kit oriented towards picking a target, sticking to it and has advantages for sticking to one target (ex: Irelia's E can stun a target if she is lower than him, Xin's passive can reduce armor but only for one person, Camille and Fiora have some auto attack based buffs (aka single target damage)). The duelist is more oriented towards ignoring the enemy team (ex: Irelia's passive making it hard to peel her the more enemies are around her, Wukong gaining tankiness in a similiar manner) or denying them an access to their target (ex: Xin and Camille ult).

Good examples of divers would be Vi Shyvana Hecarim JarvanIV MonkeyKing .

Ralanr12 votes

Divers

"Divers are the more mobile portion of the Fighter class. Divers excel at singling out high-priority targets to blitz toward, immediately forcing those targets (and their teammates) to deal with the diver’s presence. Divers are not as durable as the tanks or juggernauts of the world, but Divers can take their fair share of punishment while bringing enough damage to be a real kill threat if left unchecked."

Divers

Vi Xin Zhao Nocturne Pantheon Jarvan Wukong Warwick Renekton Elise Hecarim Lee Sin Irelia Aatrox Evelynn Diana

Divers are actually more single target but they do force themselves into the enemy team to find this target and stay on them. Xin does this perfectly because his ult knocks away everyone but his target.

Being in the center of the enemy team and soaking damage is more of a vanguard thing.

Duelists are more like skirmishers now.

"Unlike Assassins, Skirmishers aim to shred through any nearby enemy that approaches. Because Skirmishers lack high-end burst damage or reliable ways of closing in on high-priority targets, they are instead armed with situationally powerful defensive tools to survive in the fray, along with extreme sustained damage to cut down even the most durable targets"

The key difference is that skirmishers are more dps based while divers are more bursted based. And skirmishers usually have more freeform mobility while divers is more straightforward (Divers mainly use their mobility once in a fight to engage. Lee Sin's example is his Q, he doesn't really jump twice in a fight with his Q and his W only works on allied units).

Velzard of Koz2 votes

Shyvana is supposed to be juggernaut by riot

L0ve Is Blue6 votes

Kind of an hybrid since a juggernaut isn't supposed to have a way to get into the enemy team but shyvana has a long range unstopable dash that kinda goes in another way.

MinaZer04 votes

Divernaut™

Shadòw1 votes

she prob belongs into the same class as Yasuo

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Yasuo is a slayer, Skirmisher to be precise. Riot Games already confirmed she's in the Diver class which include ViIrelia LeeSin

Shadòw10 votes

no i meant Cancer

strut2 votes

Nautilus ?

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