@ Xypherous : thoughts on DoT/sustained damage mages

DeathBurst··1 votes·366 views

Hello, no PBE account, but I wanted to say a few words about the mage items rework.

What are the penetration/tank shredding options available to DoT mages? I understand the "Phase 1" of the item rework wanted to focus more on the resources aspect, but I sure hope there will be a phase 2 regarding the offensive stats.

  • item 3151 Liandry is a strange item with %HP shred (good against health stacking), flat pen (good against squishies) and HP (defensive stats). What's its intended purpose, what role does it fill, when you take the item system as a whole?
  • item 3135 Void Staff feels like a general damage multiplier, similar to Rabadon, and not like a situational item against MR stacking. Is it intended? If yes, what DoT/sustained mages should do against Tanks? Are they intentionally weak against Tanks? If yes, it feels like more burst-oriented damage patterns would always be better.
  • Magic Pen as a whole lacks clarity. Looking at AD, flat-pen is supposed to be for Assassins vs Squishies, %pen for ADC vs Tanks. On the AP side, Abyssal looks like an item for burst/assassins (flat-pen in a medium/short range) but it has plenty of defensive stats they don't really want, Void Staff and Liandry are in a strange place too, and Sorc shoes are just a staple. Everyone build them, so you do it too if you don't want to fall off the damage race.

So all in all, I think the item system should provide a more consistent and clear picture of what penetration should do, on what items, etc. Can you elaborate on that?

Thanks ;)

2 Comments

ChocolateRain2491 votes

item 3001 Works exceptionally well on DoT champions like ryze who, sadly, have to get up close and personal. Just like most of the AoE items i.eitem 3105 . Their range of effectivness is not that far, so with DoT items likeitem 3151 they work well together. While you are damaging the enemy within range of your magic pen/reduction item alongside item 3151 you have a much heavier amount of damage put out. I mean it is pretty simple. Magic pen and armor pen have one purpose, to enhance your damage against those building tank to counter your damage type. Technically item 3135 can be considered an enhancer, but when you have it alongside item 3001 you got yourself a strong Teemo Ryze Ahri etc. Every champion can be a burst champion if you have the right items. Brand is a good example of burst and DoT.

DeathBurst1 votes

Well, I disagree that every champ can be burst, and given the Red Posts about Malza in the MYMU, it's clear that they don't want DoT mages to be able to burst people. Not as hard as a true Burst mage, at least.

Brand is an exception, not the rule. It's his niche.

(And damn, why is a speculative post asking for more info is being down-voted T_T)

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