So many AD champions rush this thing and start bursting people down, I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion. I know you all love your duskblade.
I feel like it needs to be turned into more of a niche item, right now it's just the go to, "oh you want to deal loads of damage? Here you go"
Whenever I get killed by an unexpected burst of damage, I look at the items, and guess what, there's that duskblade
Sun Wu Ryuumoku14 votesI'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion.
Stop this !!!
Nasuuna12 votesits to cheap if anything, and needs a increase the the vision damage timer
The Oasis2 votesAye. I heard it gives you 5 whole seconds to proc the true damage? That's crazy forgiving.
junglerboy163 votesThere is no true damage on the item (hasn't been for a long time now), but what they mean is there needs to be an actual cooldown on the damage proc itself. Right now you just have to be unseen for 1 second and you have another free damage proc.
An Draoi4 votesIMO they need to give the bonus damage on stealth hit a cooldown. Without a cooldown, 
in and out of bush with a proc each time...
kargish2 votesYou'd actually lose damage if you kept on doing that, the interval of having to proc it again is too great for opponents not to react. You might be able to proc it twice after a full combo though.
YuGiHo2 votesright, Sheen has a cooldown for the same reason
Shablagoo11 votesImma be honest duskblade is broken, but Riot doesnt want to nerf it because if they do they will have to revamp most of the ad assassin roster. They are only viable because of it. It really is a by product of their failed assassin update. Instead of having burst inherent in their kits they just moved it into an item everyone can get.
Edge of Daybreak9 votesI just sit here reading the daily nerf duskblade threads and im so glad riot knows they cant nerf it without making the entire ad assassin class garbage again. It's one of the few things the balance team actually does right.
Lunar Lunacy10 votes[{quoted}](name=Shields Up,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1ess3sd5,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-12-08T01:54:13.939+0000)
I just sit here reading the daily nerf duskblade threads and im so glad riot knows they cant nerf it without making the entire ad assassin class garbage again. It's one of the few things the balance team actually does right.
If that is truly the case then they need to do something about that to add more diversity to builds and make other builds more viable.
And part of what I'm getting at is that it's being used by WAY more than just ad assassins. It's being abused by many different types of ad champions.
DarkRooster3 votesI think we had few years of pain and that item should be simply deleted. AD assassin era is where the game went wrong combined with diversity being wrecked as well.
Lock On8 votesLethality was simply an awful idea in the first place.
RainXBlade2 votesPTSD from Lethality MF/Jhin/Varus ensues
DarthFantasia7 votesCompletely agree. I have thought duskblade has been to strong for a while now. It is almost always the first item AD assassins buy (unless they are jungle since obviously they will get their jungle item first). If you think about it, almost all AP midlaners have to buy a mana item first. They buy 
or 
or even 
. AD midlaners can go straight for a big damage item since they never have to worry about mana issues. When's the last time you saw someone buy Rabadon's, or Luden's Echo, or even Liandry's first?
Zed genius1 votesmorellos still gives 100 ap and grievious wounds when the enemy is below 40% hp ,it's not like it is only there for mana prime example is leblanc, she gets morellos 2nd item after gunblade
DarthFantasia1 votesThere are very few champions that don't buy morello, archangels staff, or rod of ages first. It isn't only there for the mana, but that is the sole reason almost every champion buys it as their first item. Grievous wounds, during the early game, is useful on almost no midlaners. It is useful late game in teamfights when the other teams adc has lifesteal, or they have a Darius. But it being on a first item serves a very limited purpose. The only midlane champions that I can think of that grievous wounds would be really useful against are Vladimir, Swain(although he is primarily used toplane), and a Katarina(after she buys gunblade). Other than that, it is pretty useless as a first item passive.
Zed genius1 votesI don't see your point then. You say that every ad assassin having to rush duskblade is any better than the items AP mids have to buy? Both classes are forced to buy those items
AmazoX1 votesCompletely agree. I have thought duskblade has been to strong for a while now. It is almost always the first item AD assassins buy (unless they are jungle since obviously they will get their jungle item first). If you think about it, almost all AP midlaners have to buy a mana item first. They buy
AP mid laners & AD mid laners are two different universes for you to even begin comparing.
DarthFantasia1 votesAP assassins and AD assassins are not all that different.
dunder kill6 votesHow about we just nerf MF instead of hitting every single champ that uses it? Because contrary to popular belief, Zed isnt broken and the only Duskblade users that are doing well are 
and 
Somebody Love Me4 votesMF isn't good unless lethality is good. She's otherwise balanced. None of the lethality users are good unless lethality, mainly duskblade is good. Almost every duskblade user is succeeding right now. Not just MF and Talon
Remlap12231 votesDo I need to bring up the elephant monkey in the room? 
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesWukong isn't good. Duskblade is.
jacobnipples6 votesThis item is a necessary evil. Yes its overtuned, but it needs to be. Changing AD assasins and AP assasins so they can be easily outplayed by adcs and have delayed burst was a large part of ADCs becoming so dominant. Their predators aren't as much of a problem. (That paired with a lot of things). Duskblade is way too important for assasins to do their job. The assassin rework necessitated this item and this item NEEDS to be strong. I don't frequently play AD assasins so I'm not biased, I find it annoying to deal with also, but if this item is gutted it makes ADCs lives EVEN easier.
The only thing that needs changing about this item is that it should deal less damage on ranged. In my opinion ranged champions shouldn't have access to this items proc at all but that's another argument.
This needs to be the formula
Burst > DPS > Tank > Burst
and at the moment we are miles away from that. We don't need to go any further.
TL;DR - Item is toxic and overtuned but needs to stay that way so assasins can do their job and adcs aren't even stronger.
Great Ozymandius1 votesWhat Riot needs to do is buff the armor value on armor items. This will really hurt adc's who build lethality, as they will fall off even harder versus tanks. Meanwhile, it will preserve the power of assassins to kill adc's.
kargish5 votesImo 
should just have toned down utility. Assassin utility should come from the kit and not the item, the real strength of Duskblade is that it provides infinite visibility possibilities. Striking the item at its main purpose (damage) is not the right move, but if you instead made it so you couldn't tell when you were being spotted by a ward (you can't see the Duskblade buff run out) and removed the unnecessary 99% slow from it, then it's in a stable spot.
Troll for Trump4 votesIt's used as a crutch for assassins who lost burst dmg early on/have increased burst windows, so they can kill targets even faster.
I don't like being pigeonholed into Youmuus/Duskblade, but at this point the only way out is another assassin update.
MangelinaJolie4 votesIt’s not just the damage. You can know when there is a ward 100 percent of the time and you can even ping it to your team now.
Spank the Fox1 votesStill soloqueue - no one ever listens and the ward did its job alerting where you’re at. The best you’re going to get from the Spotted debuff is whether or not you’re wasting your time camping a bush.
MangelinaJolie1 votesThat’s not true at all and downplaying the importance of vision. It prevents you from the risk of getting counterganked, knowing if you’ve been deep warded or even if the enemy jungler might be waiting in brush by your own camp.
Plenty of people do listen. I really despise bringing up rank but perhaps not in the lower ends of it. Regardless, it matters.
Spank the Fox1 votesZed is Unseen Zed is Unseen Zed is Unseen
Support still runs up and pink wards the bush.
AirKingNeo3 votesGive the true damage proc a cooldown, remove the ward removing passive. Sounds like a fair nerf.
Daddy Ants4 votesGive the true damage proc a cooldown, remove the ward removing passive. Sounds like a fair nerf.
There is no true damage proc anymore.
It does bonus physical damage based on level.
I agree entirely though, Duskblade is overdue a nerf.
Slave Knight3 votesThe most important part of that item imo, is the fact that it can be used to clear wards.
Thiadel3 votesThey really don't even have to nerf the damage it deals. Fix the damage proc timer, because seriously, the person that thought a 1 second cooldown in stealth is completely mental considering champions like Kayn, Twitch, Zed, etc. And get rid of the freaking ward passive, or at least make it to where it can only spot 1 ward every 2 minutes or something, not every ward you ever run across.
Kyunsei2 votesThe passive that gives Oracle elixir is the only thing I'm not okay with Duskblade.
leakinb2 votesThere is no counterplay to this item so cheap to get, easy to proc, no cooldown, super high dmg you can just proc it after getting in an unwarded bush/ shealth etc
SithesisLord1 votesRemember when the damage passive scaled with 200% Lethality, and it was y'know, an actual assassin and considerably healthy item?
I don´t think Riot does, cuz i´m still having difficult understanding why the hell would they change a balanced passive into a completely broken one.
Captain Of Crazy3 votesYeah and it was useless. lol it did 135-ish true dmg after you had bought most of the lethality items, if you had full lethality runes + build it did 200-ish true dmg, still useless.
SithesisLord2 votesThen increase the Lethality scalling. There´s zero reason for Duskblade to exist in its current iteration. It´s too unhealthy of an item.
Evasive VX1 votesWhile I'm not sure on how to change the passive stat wise. I would like to see a cost increase to it. I know riot had a reason for why they changed it but when bf sword was part of the recipe it did seem to take longer to build. But I doubt riot would even consider that since they got a hard on for every item in the getting CDr.
Zed genius5 votesI would say they should make ghostblade cost 300 gold less and increase duskblade by 300 g at the same time
Critmaster Garen1 votesnot before marksmen get nerfed. we need assassins to keep them in check.
DoNotBanVeigar1 votesThere are some champs that I could understand getting Duskblade for the passive that would make sense (Rengar, Kha, Wukong etc), but when I see ADCs like Miss Fortune getting it and still doing a lot of damage I have to agree with you.
Lunar Lunacy1 votesPeople still think that we're complaining about assassins...
That's exactly the problem. Duskblade is not synonymous with assassins. To me it's more like, oh hi I just got one shotted by a graves ult.
Reaper Soraka1 votesNocturne presses R. 4 screens go black. 1 screen goes gray.
