Can we give GP's barrels the Xayah/Caitlyn treatment?

Malicious Metal·Jun 2, 2017·124 votes·5,069 views

Current GP has the problem that with Crit his damage doesn't reliably get stronger but just relies heavily on RNG in order to be effective. He's totally hit or miss the moment he gets some crit chance, meaning that his success relies on him winning the RNG lottery and getting a lucky crit to win the teamfight.

For a champion that's supposed to scale his power curve is extremely wonky, not to mention his RNG not being somewhat reliable like Marksmen who just AA A LOT whereas powder keg combos aren't as frequent, and thus are susceptible to screwing him over.

So why don't we just remove the Barrel's just converting the AA into an AoE but give it increased damage based on CRIT CHANCE similar to how Xayah's E works.

It would really help GP become less frustrating to play AS and Against.

108 Comments

RalanrJun 2, 201735 votes

Riot seems to like crit scaling so far, so it could work.

Kinda wish they'd do more with resistance scaling...

barson bazookaJun 2, 20175 votes

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Riot seems to like crit scaling so far, so it could work.

Kinda wish they'd do more with resistance scaling...

No, please no. It's a disgusting and appalling thought to build tanky and be rewarded for it. You should have to rely on others to deal damage if you're the tank, that's bottom line.

RalanrJun 2, 201742 votes

I meant resistance scaling defensive abilities.

SzGamer227Jun 3, 20177 votes

Shields scale with resistances already because resistances apply to shields. What exactly do you have in mind?

RalanrJun 3, 20174 votes

Galio's already does it with his DR. Maybe even utility scaling with resistances.

It Hertz When IPJun 3, 20179 votes

item 3025 's AoE scales with armor, so like that?

RalanrJun 3, 20175 votes

Yeah.

woobeeJun 3, 201728 votes

It's a disgusting and appalling thought to build tanky and be rewarded for it.

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MelledoneusJun 3, 20175 votes

Believe it or not, that was the point of the Sunfure Cape rework.

So that both jungle and lane tanks can be punished for building tank.

Joey TandJ50Jun 3, 20172 votes

Not really, it was to make it so that it wasn't a rush item for almost all tanks.

DessemJun 3, 20174 votes

Why would you want to punish a tank for building tanky items?

MelledoneusJun 3, 20175 votes

Ask the person who ruined Sunfire Cape.

The Ender CobraJun 3, 20171 votes

Your just salty 'cuz it isn't OP on Shen anymore

MelledoneusJun 4, 20171 votes

It's not good in general. The item was tailor-made to be bad on anyone specific. It's just bad in general now.

GULAG 4 UJun 4, 20171 votes

It's good for tank without waveclear : ^)

oh wait they don't exist : ^)

MelledoneusJun 4, 20172 votes

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It's good for tank without waveclear : ^)

oh wait they don't exist : ^)

Shen Pls.

GULAG 4 UJun 4, 20171 votes

Nvm then. But he does rush titanic to partially fix the problem at least.

MelledoneusJun 4, 20171 votes

Incorrect again. Shen suffers immensely if he rushes Titanic. He needs his first armor item in lane, and if it doesn't help him waveclear he's going to be miserable.

Sahn UzalJun 2, 201722 votes

I'd be totally down for this tbh

ModKnightsKemplarJun 3, 20175 votes

Well, that's how I know it's a good idea.

MM tested. TT approved.

crippler38Jun 3, 20171 votes

You just don't want RNG to ruin your phantom barrel oneshots, admit it.

Sahn UzalJun 3, 20173 votes

Considering the fact that the raw damage on my crits would go down, unless I roll some silly 100% Crit build, I doubt I'd be oneshotting anyone at all :P

crippler38Jun 3, 20172 votes

personally I prefer to nearly kill someone 100% of the time than to maybe kill them maybe not, reliability is nice.

Sahn UzalJun 3, 20172 votes

I have some Mixed feelings about it, it has goodsides, it has downsides. but I think it'd be healthier for the champion.

ChaddyFantomeJun 2, 20178 votes

I agree with this idea 100%

MistroTTCJun 2, 20178 votes

I've been wanting this for over a year.

SalsonJun 3, 20175 votes

Good idea, but they would have to do the same for his Q, or he becomes realy damn weird.

ArakadiaJun 3, 20172 votes

This too!

ItsbeghdevJun 3, 20171 votes

Maybe they could make it impossible to crit a basic attack on a barrel, give Q crit scaling, then not have to re-code how barrel damage is determined?

ArakadiaJun 3, 20172 votes

But then he would have super shitty damage when he didn't proc a a barrel with his Q.

Sahn UzalJun 3, 20175 votes

Gangplank players do, or should, use their AA to proc a barrel quite often, being forced to only Q them would be pretty shitty :P

barson bazookaJun 2, 20174 votes

YEET, this is coming from someone who tries to play GP majority of my games, and I think this is in the completely wrong direction. Start a conversation about how broken an instant global aoe ultimate that proves an aoe damage and slow, and you're on the right track.

AhristocatsJun 2, 201710 votes

gangplank has 47% win rate

try again

Lady HammerlockJun 3, 20172 votes

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gangplank has 47% win rate

try again

To be fair, assuming it would scale by % with different ratios

The damage bottomline should be lower, but overall more consistent

Automated RivenJun 2, 201716 votes

This idea isn't a Nerf tho. It's more of a qol buff. And gangplank isn't op anyhow?

barson bazookaJun 2, 20172 votes

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This idea isn't a Nerf tho. It's more of a qol buff. And gangplank isn't op anyhow?

Let me know when you have 200+ games on him ty

Automated RivenJun 3, 201710 votes

lemme know when you play with people who know how to auto attack barrels.

Jet Sett RadıoJun 3, 20172 votes

Oh god when people focus my barrels the entire fight its hell

3TWarriorJun 3, 20171 votes

what melee champion gets within 300 range of gangplank other than darius to hit the barrel that he placed on or behind his own minion for an instant aoe when his barrel is available again?

you move to take the barrel and he gets a free trade in, even a double with his auto reset you don't take it and he breaks your minion wave or forces you to move off of them so he can free farm

Automated RivenJun 3, 20171 votes

So your saying that GP has some good matchups? Welcome to league of legends. You know who else has good matchups? Everyone. Guess who else bullies the hell out of melee champs. Urgot. Guess who is trash. Urgot. Saying that gangplank can be abusive in certain matchups is not the same as him being op. He does basically Jack shit early game and scales really hard. Doesn't make him op. Just means that he scales. Also if gangplank is using his barrels to farm he is playing into your strengths. Shoving your wave is usually bad and allows you to be ganked very easily.

3TWarriorJun 4, 20171 votes

I just told you that the gangplank can use it to farm the wave freely just by proxying the opposing laner. Gangplank does not have to shove the wave

by that same logic, an underfed, underleveled opponent to gangplank is also vulnerable to ganking

Automated RivenJun 4, 20171 votes

if your underfed and under leveled and shoving you are doing something wrong.

3TWarriorJun 4, 20171 votes

if you are underfed and underleveled, you are the one getting pushed in.

You have to maintain a closeness to the wave or you do not gain experience while at the same time not gaining farm

statelesskillerJun 3, 20174 votes

this plz

there have been many games where i just NEED to sell boots for essence reaver because i cant risk that 20% chance to not crit. i just cant risk it at all. i once dropped 4 barrels in a row on a team with 50% crit chance, not a single 1 crit. i have lost team fights because i just wouldnt crit even with 80% crit chance.

Sahn UzalJun 3, 20172 votes

Those moments are rare. But so frustrating when they do happen

TattersallJun 3, 20174 votes

So why don't we just remove the Barrel's just converting the AA into an AoE but give it increased damage based on CRIT CHANCE

Just to be clear, you're not saying that Barrel AoE should be removed, right? You're just saying that crit scaling should be added to Barrels, right? Like, "in addition to what we have already," right?

######Right?

5000000000000000Jun 3, 20173 votes

LOL, I guess his wording is technically unclear. Pretty sure he just means making the barrels do damage based on crit chance, instead of having a chance to crit.

AnidanJun 3, 20172 votes

That's what I got out of it. Like if you have 10% crit chance then barrels do 110% damage and if you have 50% crit chance then they do 150% damage, with IE factoring in somehow if you have it. This lets the overall damage be the same over a large number of iterations while reducing the impact of RNG on a lower number of iterations.