Can Quinn Get Her +2 AD Back?

Simply Nora·Aug 2, 2016·26 votes·2,541 views

So in patch 5.24 Quinn starting AD was reduced from 56 to 54. Since then, on patch 6.6 Quinn received even further nerfs. She currently sits at around 1% playrate and 50% winrate. I think it's safe to say that Quinn's rework was a complete failure. Just like before rework, no one plays her now. I personally think Quinn needs a bigger buff, but I don't want to ask for too much and risk complete rejection. Just pls at least give Quinn back her +2 AD. Can a rioter at least give their opinion on the current state of Quinn? According to Riot, is Quinn in a healthy state?

50 Comments

KestrelGirlAug 2, 201611 votes

This, please! And fix her brand new bugs with E and ult too while you're at it. :P

Peel Your ADCAug 2, 20167 votes

I say buff her even more so that random cc like jhin's W or iceborn fields don't cancel ults =/

VesarixxAug 3, 20162 votes

I mean bug fixes like that are kind of implied, cleaning up her auto attacks a bit would also be appreciated.

ZedexAug 2, 20165 votes

I used to love playing her, but lost all hope when Riot didn't listen to any feedback on her rework. Her problem before was that she was super niche and only a good counter to tilt melee top laners. She's basically the same thing now, just less effective because they clipped valor's wings when they changed her ultimate.

Lady HammerlockAug 2, 20164 votes

She is most definitely not a healthy champion,kind of why she CANT get any buffs

TenshouSNKAug 2, 20163 votes

I don't know but whenever I pick her I get flamed, "gg troll" "bad pick" "we lost this now" etc etc.

She is balanced so why do you want to touch Quinn? The issue at hand is that people don't want to dedicate time to learn a unique champ with a different play-style, it has nothing to do with the champ's strength in the meta.

6.17 might buff Quinn and some other marksman, keep your fingers crossed but I highly doubt it since she is balanced.

oGyroAug 2, 20165 votes

I literally had to give her up after 100 games played this season because of this very reason. People tilt in champion select (despite the fact I have a 60% winrate on her) because you dont pick the OP top laners and then if anything goes bad in the game the instant response is ''gg quinn useless champ''

VekknaAug 2, 20161 votes

looks like 57%

oGyroAug 2, 20161 votes

''I literally had to give her up''

It was 60% for the most part and then I just couldn't win consistently anymore so dropped her.

ItLoomsAug 2, 20162 votes

They reworked her to be a solo laner. She has 2 damaging abilities (Q and E) , of which the second is more useful as a utility spell. Against tanks and / or tank items she becomes very quickly useless in lane so her only potential is to roam.

I don't say that she is lacking that much, but she is definitely far from balanced in a meta where champs deal true damage and / or percent health damage while building full tank. (Darius, Illaoi, Maokai etc.)

PermabannedGarenAug 2, 20163 votes

To be fair, Irelia is pretty much the God Queen of top lane right now, and she also is one of the few melees who fucking SHITS on Quinn at every stage of the game. Quinn isn't bad, but the meta is pretty hostile to her right now. Yasuo is also both popular and strong right now, and he too dicks on Quinn. Same with Gangplank.

So despite the fact that the three of the most popular top laners shit all over Quinn's hopes and dreams, she has a 51% win rate. That's not bad. You can probably thank Darius' popularity for that lol.

VesarixxAug 3, 20161 votes

I don't find Irelia or Yasuo that difficult, both can be pretty easily played around, not even considering that Quinn can pressure the map better than either of them.

TenshouSNKAug 4, 20161 votes

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I don't find Irelia or Yasuo that difficult, both can be pretty easily played around, not even considering that Quinn can pressure the map better than either of them.

What about riven? How do you do against riven?

VesarixxAug 4, 20161 votes

Well Quinn is a counter to Riven so it's a pretty easy matchup.

TenshouSNKAug 4, 20161 votes

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Well Quinn is a counter to Riven so it's a pretty easy matchup.

How would you stomp her?

GwenavereAug 4, 20161 votes

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How would you stomp her?

Riven is ultimately melee and Quinn's whole purpose top lane is to keep a melee from having fun. You have to play smart, sure, but you should out trade Riven in almost all circumstances and if she jumps on you, just vault off. This is really one of the easier top lanes for Quinn unless you're facing a really good Riven (which isn't often!).

TenshouSNKAug 4, 20161 votes

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Riven is ultimately melee and Quinn's whole purpose top lane is to keep a melee from having fun. You have to play smart, sure, but you should out trade Riven in almost all circumstances and if she jumps on you, just vault off. This is really one of the easier top lanes for Quinn unless you're facing a really good Riven (which isn't often!).

What if riven flashes to you after you vault?

VesarixxAug 4, 20162 votes

She should never be able to just walk up to you so she needs to use her Q and E to close the gap, save your E for when she does this and she can't really get onto you, she might be able to try flashing onto you at some point but without a lead she can't really 100-0 you before you can flash E to get out(assuming she actually moves in front of you to block you from just using E to escape), though keep in mind she may have gone 12 points in resolve or gotten lucidity boots for the reduced cooldown on summoner spells(you can check this by mousing over her flash on the score screen, if the CD is less than 300 with no lucidity she has the mastery) so her flash might be up again before yours. I run exhaust in most matchups, it's not entirely necessary but it's pretty good vs her, also reduces armor and MR by 10.

If you see her use all 3 Q's rapidly early then that's the time to go in, she doesn't really have anything to fight with at that point.

If she somehow manages to catch back up then building a steraks can help keep you out of burst range.

As an interesting tip there is actually an interaction with Quinns E that allows her to redirect skill shots, if you time it right you can make Rivens R2 go behind her(when your E connects it reorients the person hit, skill shots fire from the direction the champion is facing typically).

TenshouSNKAug 4, 20161 votes

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She should never be able to just walk up to you so she needs to use her Q and E to close the gap, save your E for when she does this and she can't really get onto you, she might be able to try flashing onto you at some point but without a lead she can't really 100-0 you before you can flash E to get out(assuming she actually moves in front of you to block you from just using E to escape), though keep in mind she may have gone 12 points in resolve or gotten lucidity boots for the reduced cooldown on summoner spells(you can check this by mousing over her flash on the score screen, if the CD is less than 300 with no lucidity she has the mastery) so her flash might be up again before yours. I run exhaust in most matchups, it's not entirely necessary but it's pretty good vs her, also reduces armor and MR by 10.

If you see her use all 3 Q's rapidly early then that's the time to go in, she doesn't really have anything to fight with at that point.

If she somehow manages to catch back up then building a steraks can help keep you out of burst range.

As an interesting tip there is actually an interaction with Quinns E that allows her to redirect skill shots, if you time it right you can make Rivens R2 go behind her(when your E connects it reorients the person hit, skill shots fire from the direction the champion is facing typically).

the thing is tho, riven can close gap and stun you, then u vault, then she flashes, then ur dead. Also riven's ult has like aoe range.

ItLoomsAug 4, 20161 votes

But you have a Flash too. So if things turn really sour....you can flash too, which creates another gap. How about that?

VesarixxAug 5, 20161 votes

Her gap closer is a dash, not a blink, it's telegraphed enough that you can vault before she even gets into range, if you let her gapclose without flash and stun you then that's a mistake on your part, you're either getting too close when you go in to harass/farm or not reacting to her using her Q or E. Also if she is using those skills to get onto you it's incredibly inefficient for her, Q is where a lot of her damage comes from, if she flashes to follow your vault after using her stun and burning her main damaging ability then you just kill her, she isn't going to instagib you with just autos and ult unless someone massively fed her.

TenshouSNKAug 5, 20161 votes

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Her gap closer is a dash, not a blink, it's telegraphed enough that you can vault before she even gets into range, if you let her gapclose without flash and stun you then that's a mistake on your part, you're either getting too close when you go in to harass/farm or not reacting to her using her Q or E. Also if she is using those skills to get onto you it's incredibly inefficient for her, Q is where a lot of her damage comes from, if she flashes to follow your vault after using her stun and burning her main damaging ability then you just kill her, she isn't going to instagib you with just autos and ult unless someone massively fed her.

So you have never played a game where you got outplayed by riven? You always stomped rivens as Quin?

VesarixxAug 5, 20161 votes

Yes actually, that's just the nature of the matchup, it's like playing Diana vs Katarina, takes a lot of mistakes on the part of the Diana to lose that lane.

Even if I'm not playing Quinn, you don't really see the really scary Riven players outside of masters, I've fought a few as high up as plat and they aren't animation cancelling or double casting, they don't know the exact damages or power spikes that well, they don't really adapt builds properly and they can't play from behind at all. They don't even make use of Q dancing vs skillshot champs. If you learn how Riven works it's a free lane as basically any champion most of the time.

TenshouSNKAug 5, 20161 votes

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Yes actually, that's just the nature of the matchup, it's like playing Diana vs Katarina, takes a lot of mistakes on the part of the Diana to lose that lane.

Even if I'm not playing Quinn, you don't really see the really scary Riven players outside of masters, I've fought a few as high up as plat and they aren't animation cancelling or double casting, they don't know the exact damages or power spikes that well, they don't really adapt builds properly and they can't play from behind at all. They don't even make use of Q dancing vs skillshot champs. If you learn how Riven works it's a free lane as basically any champion most of the time.

So what items do u build against riven?

VesarixxAug 5, 20161 votes

As Quinn vs Riven you just build normally. You don't need to alter your build.

GwenavereAug 4, 20161 votes

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What if riven flashes to you after you vault?

Flash yourself, try to fight, or die. Either way she's blown a flash and can only do that once every 5 minutes. That's what, 2 times in laning phase if both are successful (if you're a good Quinn they won't be)? Either way you should be able to get more than that. Riven is just extremely abusable by Quinn because short of that flash, she really has no way to get on you. The scariest champs for Quinn to face are usually those who have more than one dash as a part of their kit, or dashes with CC coughIreliacough, but even these champs can be beaten with good counterplay

TenshouSNKAug 4, 20161 votes

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To be fair, Irelia is pretty much the God Queen of top lane right now, and she also is one of the few melees who fucking SHITS on Quinn at every stage of the game. Quinn isn't bad, but the meta is pretty hostile to her right now. Yasuo is also both popular and strong right now, and he too dicks on Quinn. Same with Gangplank.

So despite the fact that the three of the most popular top laners shit all over Quinn's hopes and dreams, she has a 51% win rate. That's not bad. You can probably thank Darius' popularity for that lol.

hey, there is only 1 queen and that is quinn, the future queen of demacia haha

DunkinNoobsAug 2, 20162 votes

I'm fairly certain that getting Quinns playrate as low as it is means the rework is a success, not a failure.

ItLoomsAug 2, 20162 votes

She is countered by the current meta. Tanks and tank items. She dies easily to ganks because she has zero escapes.

I do think the +2 AD is a good start. Giving her passive some armor penetration would help her laning against tanks. I mean you have to take a look at some of the top laners:

Illaoi - can build full tank, has percent health damage, a dumb 1v5 machine Maokai - full tank, lot of CC, gap close, percent health damage Darius - can build tank has true damage Garen - full tank, true damage - Jesus Christ Chogath - passive buffs his health, makes him tanky + true damage Irealia - true damage Fiora - true damage Olaf - True damage

Both tanks and anti-tanks have true damage to be viable in top lane. So giving some armorpenetration to help Quinn is not over the top in my opinion.

VesarixxAug 3, 20162 votes

I'm all for higher base damages, also if they could bring back the old animation for the ult that would be cool, even just as an option, it looked a lot better.

Simply NoraAug 3, 20162 votes

@RiotRepertoir don't forget about Quinn yet, pls.

Best Valor NAAug 3, 20162 votes

Tbh as a Quinn main, I love her right now, everyone still underestimates her and I never lose a lane as her. She snowballs hella hardt oo.

Btw talking about botlane. I still dominate in other lanes aswel.

ABlueQuakerAug 2, 20161 votes

Not to mention how fucking toxic her Q is now.

Riot refused to fix original Quinn because it would be too strong, so Riot reworked her, made her way too strong, then nerfed her anyway.

I Go Pew Pew PewAug 2, 20161 votes

Yes, Quinn has a 50% win rate. BUT, that's because her average games played is extremely low. Quinn mains actually have about 55% win rate. That's for top.

Her ADC winrate is ranked #2.

I don't think Quinn needs buffs.

HaloDragonXAug 2, 20161 votes

Can Kayle have her 5 AD back? So she can clearly the jungle in a reasonable time.

zlumpyAug 2, 20161 votes

Gotta say atm as a low elo support main, everytime I see an adc pick her I get a little frustrated. They usually don't play her right then rage at me for not saving them everytime. I actually kinda like it when jungle or top takes Quinn though. It makes for a fun change of pace seeing her used in those roles on my team.

But as an adc she just feels like she is missing something. Probably just my bad experiences with lane partners that are more easily critiqued.

ModWulf HelhammerAug 2, 20161 votes

That's just them not knowing how to use her. Quinn has been my main ADC since mid season 4, and is one of my reliable picks that I can fall back on.

And I don't really know what you mean how it's a change of pace to see Quinn top. That's her most popular role by far. ADC Quinn has one of the lowest play rates in the game

zlumpyAug 2, 20161 votes

I don't get Quinn top on my team. It is almost always a melee carry or a juggernaut with the occasional Teemo thrown in. So for me ot is noce seeing her played somewhere outside adc.

Btw blind stops sona from beong able to target you with Q right? Cause the last Quinn I played with just let themselves get poked into oblivion.

oGyroAug 2, 20161 votes

It does but she can still stand in her minion wave and Q you

zlumpyAug 3, 20161 votes

The reduced sighy range doesn't prevent q auto target if your outside sight range? Thats stupid.

VesarixxAug 3, 20161 votes

Sona needs vision of a target to Q them, standing in the minion wave prevents a direct hit onto her in which case she doesn't get the reduced vision, since you need to hit someone head on to get the vision reduction and the harrier mark, she can still take the damage from the Q though. Sona does out range Quinn in auto attacks by 50 so procing harrier while powerchord is active will always trade damage without the Q blind, luckily Quinn does have some pretty decent base damages so it's not that bad a trade initially, but you kind of need to force the trade after that as well because Sona wins even trades over time thanks to her heal but has high downtime on her passive early game.

VesarixxAug 3, 20161 votes

People usually end up trying to build her like a standard ADC, best thing to do as Quinn in the bot lane is still get ghostblade and aim to set the enemy ADC behind, it's not really optimal to go sustained DPS but going for burst and taking out the enemy carries is very effective. Armor pen>AD runes as well.

Youre Outta LuxxAug 2, 20161 votes

Agreed, she's just too outshined by the bruiser meta.

I played a game against a Fiora who rushed Ninja Tabi, and with that item alone, my damage to her was laughable.

Simply NoraAug 2, 20161 votes

Ninja is probably one of the biggest problem. Not just for Quinn but all ADCs.

ChíckenDaddyAug 2, 20161 votes

As a Quinn main while that sounds great I honestly think she is a bit to strong (look at past patch winrates) and the only reason they don't nerf her is the small player base.As soon as she starts getting played everyone will complain and shell probally get nerfed, sense when she is talked about its how cancer Quinn is.

Simply NoraAug 2, 20165 votes

You're Bronze 2 with 10 games play...

SwiftKitten88Aug 2, 20161 votes

ok? back in season 4 nid had to her AD reduced from 54 to 48 because her top lane was oppressive and she had her attack speed reduced as well.

this never got reverted this when they threw her into the jungle and she hasn't been able to lane for 2 seasons.

riot doesn't take these things into consideration at all.

and besides Quinn IS strong

Simply NoraAug 2, 20163 votes

Right, now Nidalee is dead as a solo laner. Maybe they should gut Quinn solo lane and put her in the jungle too. G8 idea.

UnbeatablePlayerAug 5, 20161 votes

Quinn is the ultimate lane bully, she has serious problems and does not need buffs. Either a complete rework or nerfs because she is a complete fucking cancer champ

VesarixxAug 5, 20161 votes

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