He ignores half the damage from minion aggro when he goes in to trade ROFL He can legit just jump into your minion wave for a trade and come out on top He can give 0 shits about proper positioning and that's the problem His passive doesn't change his decision making or affect his gameplay It's just "win trade no matter how fucking bad your positioning is"
Swollwonder20 votesIts really hard for me to take these "fizz op" threads seriously after playing against him before his nerfs. Not to say your point is invalid but I personally think fizz is in a pretty good spot right now especially in comparison to what he used to be.
terkmc14 votesThe lesser evil is still pretty fucking evil
DarthSpectrum1 votesI partially agree with you. Fizz actually has to land his ultimate to kill now. Before the nerfs, you are lucky if you have more than 40% of your health left if you Qs you once.
Nonetheless, Fizz is still not fun to play against. Teemo shrooms were changed a long time a go to not stack on top of each other, but playing against Teemo is still annoying.
I am quite content with the changes Riot gave to Fizz; however, those who just started recently will never know what a monster he was.
Cupkek2 votesI agree. While I hate playing against the little git, he's fairly well balanced.
He's supposed to be slippery and cheeky, that's his identity. If you take away that damage reduction on basic attacks, goodbye Fizz Jungle. Not to mention he'll just play even safer during laning, until he KNOWS he can 100-0 or assassinate you.
In terms of balance, he's in a great spot where his build and his strengths revolve around knowing when to strike or when he can duel someone. Once that E has been blown, he's fish in a barrel. Pun heavily intended.
A Miss Fortune2 votesI don't really think that makes a lot of sense. Typically I just see Fizz players hit level 6, throw out his ultimate which is essentially point-and-click now, and 100-0 anyone who isn't tanky.
Even if he IS balanced, his kit is extremely toxic, unfair, and counter-fun.
Cupkek6 votesIt's not even close to point and click. It's a very slow moving skillshot. So much so that most fizz players will point-blank it. And of course they're going to open with their ult, it amplifies his damage by 20% if he lands it.
His kit isn't toxic, it just requires more than 1 active brain cell to outplay it. If you're having so much trouble with Fizz, here's some advice.
Pick a champion with reliable and frequent harass (Lissandra), bully the little turd as much as you can early. Always strafe, never move in a straight line and for god's sakes never be in melee range.
It's super easy to put a damper on him. That "point and click" ultimate is easy as hell to dodge at range. Besides, if you're playing as Lissandra, just ult yourself and boom, no damage, no amplified damage for him.
ChaosThief1 votesYou clearly have never played fizz.
I've tried landing 20-30 fizz ults, grand total of... 4? 5? Landing, in all. I missed a few point blank ults as well...
But that's just me.
youngjake931 votesIts really hard for me to take these "fizz op" threads seriously after playing against him before his nerfs. Not to say your point is invalid but I personally think fizz is in a pretty good spot right now especially in comparison to what he used to be.
Lol the good old days where he could one shot on level 2 to start snowballing and be ready to one shot tanks on level 5. And when the only time you needed to hit your ult was never.
Baby Ghoul3 votesI don't think Fizz will ever be in a good spot.
People complain about Ekko because he's a high utility assassin, but Fizz is just that and more oppressive. We'll never be in a happy place with these champions because of how they were designed to be.
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesWell, people stopped complaining about Ekko because he got nerfed. He used to be higher utility than Fizz.
Baby Ghoul1 votesWell, people stopped complaining about Ekko because he got nerfed. He used to be higher utility than Fizz.
That's exactly what I mean though. People who play the champions will complain about him, and his win rate has fallen significantly recently, and they begin to fall out of favor. Even before nerfs, he wasn't nearly as bad as Fizz ever was. Right now Fizz is a much better high utility assassin.
Assassin are problematic in themselves, but if you slap utility on top of that then it makes them incredibly toxic to play against.
I GANK LANES2 votesLol how is Fizz in any way shape or form a utility assassin
Drunk Rummate2 votesThe passive seems fine to me. In fact I can usually auto attack Fizz players out of lane pretty easily pre6 as Ahri and Orianna.
It's just the E that's annoying. It's crazy how much ground he can cover with it plus it does a ton of damage and makes him untargetable. It's like everything in his kit is on that one skill.
ArkenStorm2 votesThe real problem with fizz is his survivability in general. E specially when he takes cinderhulk top, he nearly never does while still dealing stupid amounts of damage.
Lugg2 votesThe real problem is the stupidly low CD on his Playful Trickster.
dangopee1 votesI don't get why they don't make doran's shield do this. People would actually buy the item then.
Edit: but then again, fizz would probably buy it instead of flask or ring for maximum cheese.
Curling Veigar1 votes+1
CoolKnightST1 votesWell they could make his passive champions only
HadesBlades1 votesbut then they would have to buff him, think about it taking 6 damage (early amount) and 12 at lvl 18 that would just let all ad face roll him, so it would be pointless, you'd either have to buff his overall damage reduction, or buff another part of his kit which riot will not do since he is in a decent spot in the current meta
ZzEslIolZQ1 votesNah it really is his trolpole.
Sohleks1 votesThe minion mitigation passive does do a lot to enable Fizz to be constant aggro mostly based on enemy positioning alone.
Still when I play Fizz I knowingly use my E to drop minion aggro mid trade or as I retreat. So you could say even without Fizz passive Fizz has a "tool" against minion aggro. Which suggests maybe his current passive is outdated.
Traditionally AP Fizz puts all points into E and relies on it for damage. This is because of the high damage upgrade in addition to the huge cooldown reduction and waveclear. The thing I go with 3 points in W at 5 because it is quiet strong for fighting as well, and enables me to use E for utility (like projectile dodge/escape/aggro reset) in early trades and be less mana dependent. When doing so E is still maxed @ level 10.
Minion aggro is not totally disregardable for Fizz though. I mean at least I have to E to reset like when I W + Q, auto, auto then E to safety (my bread and butter trade)
