A couple of good questions about support

chipndip1··2 votes·338 views

"So, right now we have original supports, who are in many aspects just terribly, TERRIBLY balanced champions. I mean, look at them and compare them to other laners and you'll see there's nowhere near enough power left in their kits. Their kits feel okay-ish if you have 2 or more items designed specifically for them (Janna has 150/80/110/100 mana costs and lower base regen than ADCs, don't get me started on Blitz). Why are they gated by ridiculously high mana costs and cooldowns?

Why have you nerfed base utility values on supports and added AP scaling to compensate if you constantly push just tanky and regen-based items instead of AP support items? Why do they have completely unnecessary skill animations and delays that add nothing but frustration to their kits? For example, why is there 0.1-0.2s delay on Morgana's shield? Why is Soraka's heal delayed? Janna's ult delayed? I mean, these abilities really don't need this ridiculous cast time, cast time is here for either making cast interruptible OR as warning sign something is happening. But these are too short to telegraph anything and they can't be interrupted, so just why?

Why is more and more power added to support items, especially actives? I mean, there are actives that are much powerful than your kit. Every support is just getting 'slightly tanky' and focuses on active items, except for mage supports. If they had legitimate abilities with reasonable costs they wouldn't need supplemental abilities from items. I mean, how many times you had 2 or more active items on your mid/toplaner or ADC?"

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chipndip11 votes

Honestly have no idea why the quote format keeps fucking up, but the original post is here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/kyJKzAxT-support-support-item-power-budget-and-issues

DarkRitual1 votes

Two actives isn't exactly uncommon for top lane with plenty of options, but adc has very few: item 3153 item 3139 item 3142

chipndip11 votes

I mean...Randuin's...

What other actives?

DarkRitual1 votes

item 3512 item 3060 item 3074 item 3748 item 3030 item 3152 item 3146 item 3153 item 3800 item 3157 item 3040 item 3142 While some are more niche, many champs still purchase two of them at full build. Ghostblase was mostly included because Jayce and Gangplank, but their only other active would likely be Mercurial Scimitar.

chipndip11 votes
  1. Some of those are a stretch.

  2. At one time, though?

DarkRitual1 votes

Literally any tank with Zz'Rot and Banner in adition to Randuins Maokai with the above and Righteous Glory Jax with Gunblade/BotRK/Randuins Irelia with BotRK/Randuins Kenne with Protobelt and Zhonyas (this one I agree is kinda a stretch) Lissandra or Ryze with Seraph's and Zhonyas (possibly GLP as a situational item) Riven with Ghostblade/Hydra Shen with Titanic Hydra and Randuins

chipndip11 votes

Kennen, Ryze, and Riven I'll give you.

Most of the others rarely happen at best.

And then the occasional Dinger with ZZ/Banner, although it not having ap sort of fucks that too.

DarkRitual1 votes

I would argue Yorick with Portal/Banner isn't unheard of either.

While most others are less common, they do still pop up from time to time, depending on META, ELO, and server tendnecies.

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