Hey Meddler, can we have a word about Mordekaiser?

Malicious Metal··65 votes·13,158 views

Morde did get some changes in 6.1, namely some minor buffs to his shield gain, changes to his ultimate and finally a minion-cast W. Hallelujah.

Now, what do you guys over there at RiotHQ think about how these changes affected out favorite Metalhead? I know you guys have a lot of things on your mind, especially Kog'Maw and other champions that have precedence over Mordekaiser, yet some thoughts on him would be much appreciated.

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53 Comments

RiotMeddler70 votes

We think the 6.1 changes worked pretty well and have been good for him. We're not planning on doing any work on Morde in the near future, he's performing reasonably in multiple positions and there are other champs in need of much more immediate work.

Malicious Metal64 votes

Gotcha.

Thanks for the swift response.^^

Shac Norris28 votes

Why in the heck did you get downvoted?

Here, i'll restore the balance.

Velasan1 votes

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Hi, so totally off topic. How do you put the pictures in your posts like that? I haven't tried to do it on the new board system, and I'm not seeing an obvious button anywhere.

So Gnarsty5 votes

I believe just copy/paste the link

kaltenashes1 votes

right click an image and select copy image location, then paste

Vlasimuthe4 votes

So that is what LaughingFish has been doing with his upvotes

Azrael Jiraco2 votes

Keep up the good work, and thank you for giving him W back for solo lane. It really made a difference! :)

Burnt Iron King25 votes

What if indirect changes to his itemization make him fall short? E.G Steraks being nerfed, etc.

By the way, there still seems to be a bug with Mordekaiser's passive and the Runic Armor mastery. It still doesn't interact with his shield gain even though CertainlyT mentioned it should be working on the PBE :/

Blue Moon Wolf6 votes

I'm sure they will buff him accordingly if they see he falls below expectations, but he really could use that Runic Armor bug fix.

kagepaladin1 votes

yea ive noticed a visual bug when you tp the little ball of metal that gets thrown out when you cast your w goes in reverse from spawn platform to where you tp to.

EzraTwitch1 votes

{quoted}

We think the 6.1 changes worked pretty well and have been good for him. We're not planning on doing any work on Morde in the near future, he's performing reasonably in multiple positions and there are other champs in need of much more immediate work.

Please please please let him cast W on wards.

Malicious Metal3 votes

He can cast it on syndra's spheres and J4's flags^^'

TotalJerk1 votes

What the fuck? He can?

Rendarkan2 votes

Can you please just at least kinda... make his feet and walk a little more fluid looking and less like a guy who was butt violated?

Sinlaire3 votes

Isn't he just a spirit wrapped in spiky metal armor? sounds like a good case to be a bit clunky walking around in a suit that doesnt fit you i think.

Fat Bastard GOD3 votes

I think us Morde mains died inside. It's official Morde won't be changed for a while...

Annoxis1 votes

So, I will ask the bad question, but the one that needed to be asked : now that you have put Morde into a very similar but less toxic situation than he was before his gameplay update, and that you decided that he will need a VGU at some time in the future, in which lane are you going to support him from now and for his upcoming-at-some point VGU ?

" Still not decided " will not lead to death threats.

Frius1 votes

aatrox when?he`s been ignored for like 100 patches?good state ?not played like never.

Penta Penguin1 votes

Didn't someone at Riot say Morde would eventually get a VGU?

KING ATTILA1 votes

{quoted}

We think the 6.1 changes worked pretty well and have been good for him. We're not planning on doing any work on Morde in the near future, he's performing reasonably in multiple positions and there are other champs in need of much more immediate work.

Such as Tryndamere

elon wątroba1 votes

Isn't trynda going to be left in his current state as poster child of toxic design? I read it somewhere at boards.

KING ATTILA1 votes

{quoted}

Isn't trynda going to be left in his current state as poster child of toxic design? I read it somewhere at boards.

His design is outdated. It's only toxic to bronze players. Tryndamere is worthless. They can get rid of his ult for all I care....i just want him to he playable

kagepaladin1 votes

yea when I celebrated HueHueday the past two day all morde games i played have been victories ive been playin morde since 2-3 months after his release i think, i remember starting league the summer between 8th and 9th grade which was 5 almost 6 years ago now. i havent been playing morde since release like malicious but it's been for as long as i can remember. (or as for back as the match history goes which is 5/1/2012)

terkmc1 votes

Maybe just a tiny buff to his base tank stat? He's really squishy for a juggernaut :(

Tengrichan1 votes

And here we go the year long hiatus to wait on a proper rework.

BoilTheOil1 votes

i think you should buff his base hp or his hp regen then i think he will be in a really good spot

Xonra1 votes

{quoted}

We think the 6.1 changes worked pretty well and have been good for him. We're not planning on doing any work on Morde in the near future, he's performing reasonably in multiple positions and there are other champs in need of much more immediate work.

Why is this getting upvotes? Are people not actually trying Morde to see how untrue "he's performing reasonably in multiple positions" is? I mean there are worse cases, but he is far from performing well.

I know I'll get downvoted for disagreeing with a red post, but he is pretty poor right now in almost every position, and most certainly not performing well.

KnightOfOrder1 votes

{quoted}

We think the 6.1 changes worked pretty well and have been good for him. We're not planning on doing any work on Morde in the near future, he's performing reasonably in multiple positions and there are other champs in need of much more immediate work.

And by "performing reasonably" you mean being incredibly underwhelming no matter what lane you choose right? Lets be honest here, the Mordekaiser "rework" was a colossal failure, you (Riot) didnt put the necesary effort into it and it backfired hardcore, trying to just slightly alter a very erratic kit into such an out of the box idea ended up with Mordekaiser still being toxic as all hell when good and painfully awful when bad. I commend you guys for trying something so different but at the same time i am incredibly disappointed as an (ex)Mordekaiser player how you pretty much have given up on him. Would it really be too much to ask to at the very least return him to old pre-rework balance and power state? I dealt with the erratic kit before, but an erratic kit with bad numbers is just a pain and it makes me wonder how many years we'll have to wait for Morde to get an actual quality rework instead of wishy washy efforts.

Let the downvotes begin i guess...

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

{quoted}

We think the 6.1 changes worked pretty well and have been good for him. We're not planning on doing any work on Morde in the near future, he's performing reasonably in multiple positions and there are other champs in need of much more immediate work.

I don't think he's "performing reasonably in multiple positions". If he does, I'd like to see the numbers. And even if he did, it doesn't adress the main problem: he's not what we want.

Lord Galvatron6 votes

To be honest Riot really dropped the ball with Mordekasier. With the combination of his nerfs immediately after Juggernaught release (he was seriously over buffed at the time), and changing his play style (As an Caster/Melee ADC) 1 month (or 2) before they overhauled the Marksmen and created a ADC/ AD Assassin meta, Morde. is exactly where he was before they attempted to make him viable again. In fact, he might be actually WORSE then he was back in early-mid season 5. If you are looking for data, go to champion.gg where it has statistics for champions using Riots own gameplay data. What really irks me (if this sad excuse for a "update"of Morde didn't already do so) is that Morde……. still has pizza feet.

There are cases when Riot makes masterpieces of champions and concepts but this……..isn't one of them.

XIII Vanitas4 votes

Hey Malicious, sorry for the OT, but there are some questions I would like to ask you. If you could change something about Mordekaiser's kit, what would you change? What's the core identity of Mordekaiser? Do you think he should be a dps or a bursty champion?

Malicious Metal3 votes

Hmm..

  1. I'd change his W since I find it really unsatisfying to use as well as being not that well designed imo. I would make it function as his "window of power" increasing his shield gain and having great AoE but reducing his shield generation to give him a less unhealthy bully pattern.

  2. Mordekaiser IS iron man. His passive as well as his wraith ultimate are what define him as an unholy force on the battlefield. He'll wade through the enemy team and all you could do is RUN.

  3. I like Burst as much as the next guy but DPS is easier to balance and would synergize better with his passive. Besides, Juggernauts tend to have huge sustained damage^^

Rendarkan1 votes

On a side knote can we fix his kneecaps on his walking animation? It looks like his knees buckle look weird when he walks. I dunno to me it looks like his knee bends 90 degrees and his shin shifts up into his femur and its just weird to watch it clip. Can he at least get a more smooth walk animation over looking like he had his mace shoved up his ass?

Lord Boltrix1 votes

I agree with Mal on the W, I feel that it creates a window of power much like crowd control and mobility does on other champions, and I think his W is what Riot sees as makes him have duo-lane potential. I just think that there could be more to the W than just bonus experience, which doesn't fit him thematically and honestly doesn't do much except promote the 'snowball harder' issue that has always plagued Morde.

I think that Mordekaiser could afford to have his relatively weak base stats if he got more of those 'moments of opportunity' to make up for it, I've suggested several times on the forums that the bonus experience passive could be replaced, perhaps he could get scaling armor and magic resist in some form when using his W.

Hm, maybe said armor and magic resist could scale further from his own percent missing health? Thematically Mordekaiser gets power from pain, so he could deal more pain if he is suffering more, and he thrives on pain so it makes sense that he could survive longer in fights if he is suffering that much more.

Plus, using his own percent missing health, rather than using bonus health or AP or his innate resists would prevent the scaling from indirectly buffing snowballing on Mordekaiser.

My other gripe is with dragon ghost: I love it, I want to keep it, but I feel it costs Mordekaiser nothing to get it... mostly since all it does require is Morde damage the dragon before his team takes it. I feel that making Morde have to cast his ult on the dragon would make it not so easy for Mordekaiser to get that ghost, and would inhibit snowballing on Mordekaiser since right now he could take a marksman ghost, take tower, then go do dragon and get ANOTHER ghost, and likely have his ult up by the time the dragon ghost dies.

That whole thing was one of two reasons why Mordekaiser was pick or ban during the World Championship (the other being 100% bonus experience).

With that change, getting the dragon is an option, but getting the dragon ghost is a decision, a decision to save it for the dragon and thus not have the chance to use it in teamfight, or to use it in said teamfight and not have it immediately available if the dragon is rushed after a successful teamfight.

That would open up a bit more for Mordekaiser's power budget for other things.

WadeWilson13373 votes

Uh...Mordekaiser in a okay position? His highest winlate is top lane at 47%...thats troll pick status.

TotalJerk10 votes

People are still playing him incredibly fucking wrong, though.

Malicious Metal2 votes

This.

OneSmoothDude4 votes

That's higher than Maokai, Jayce, Renek, Vlad, Xin, and Gnar. Are those all troll picks as well?

WadeWilson13372 votes

Xin top is without a doubt a troll pick. All the others have several weaknesses and are all not very good picks with champions like Fiora and irelia and Malphite being so dominant at the moment.

SH Azykan1 votes

Vlad is one of the best picks into Malphite though. People just keep playing champs malph is strong into without picking his counters into him

TotalJerk1 votes

{quoted}

Xin top is without a doubt a troll pick.

He's what made me stop blind picking Kayle top. Fuck that guy.

FluxBound2 votes

It would be nice if you talked about other things. I know you're Malicious Metal, and you love Mordekaiser, but he's not the only champ like this. You seem to have a pretty big following, so you can probably raise attention to other champs.

Zedex2 votes

What's to talk about..They used him as a spotlight champion like GP, Darius, and Fiora at Worlds. Now they'll dumpster him and forget about him.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

Yes please.For justice.

LilxPaprika1 votes

I think mordekaiser would benefit a lot from a slow active on say sunfire cape. like we have with cinderhulk. if we chooses not to jungle. its good with both rylais and mallet since synergizes with rylais when spell on cd to get the first slow off. and mallet to reach them. You could always get gunblade but may wish to mix it up. come to think of it could just get summoner 3 with lucidity boots and mastery to lower its coodown might help

summoner 6 is also useful on mord.

or have team compostition with hard engage and w to them like a zac

Torgal1 votes

Mordekaiser was one on my main before his rework (remember how fun was to DFG ult someone and kill him). But actually he need some love, a little.

My suggestions : Up a little his movement speed, why not bring back to 340 ? (like others Juggernaut ?Garen Darius Illaoi ) because he his so slooooooooow. 325 is horrible, he can't dash and have 0 controls, and his movement speed from his W don't help him so much to move.

Second, but it's a little big. His shield decay after 1,5s. Okay, he can store his shield easy with his E but, it's possible to do something about that ? Only decay when out of combat ? Like his old shield ?

But I guess it's a little unhealthy. But why not try...

EDIT :

Ho, another idea for him for improved his Juggernaut identity. Why not changed his magics damages for physical damages ?

Maybe doing his Q and E doing physical damages ? It's can be realy cool, and Juggernauts items like item 3071 can be realy great on him Mordekaiser .

But the problem is, people who play AP Mordekaiser will don't like it...

Khâmul1 votes

{quoted}

Mordekaiser was one on my main before his rework (remember how fun was to DFG ult someone and kill him). But actually he need some love, a little.

My suggestions : Up a little his movement speed, why not bring back to 340 ? (like others Juggernaut ?Garen Darius Illaoi ) because he his so slooooooooow. 325 is horrible, he can't dash and have 0 controls, and his movement speed from his W don't help him so much to move.

Second, but it's a little big. His shield decay after 1,5s. Okay, he can store his shield easy with his E but, it's possible to do something about that ? Only decay when out of combat ? Like his old shield ?

But I guess it's a little unhealthy. But why not try...

EDIT :

Ho, another idea for him for improved his Juggernaut identity. Why not changed his magics damages for physical damages ?

Maybe doing his Q and E doing physical damages ? It's can be realy cool, and Juggernauts items like item 3071 can be realy great on him Mordekaiser .

But the problem is, people who play AP Mordekaiser will don't like it...

whyitem 3071 when you already have item 3151

IICrowII1 votes

I recently spent a week playing Morde as often as I could convince my team to let me. He's fine in some matchups and very dead in others, and I feel like I still have an impact on the game even when my lane doesn't do so well. I think that he would do very well in a lane swap, but good luck orchestrating that outside of a 4-5 man premade.

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