So Every Reworked Mage Feels Like A Doom Bot Now

Steel Blossom·May 23, 2016·4 votes·846 views

You know, how Swain and Zyra now have 57%+ winrate...and Anivia is almost at 56%...but then people would still rather complain about Zed.

23 Comments

MalfiniMay 23, 20162 votes

Zyra has always been an annoying champion even before the mage update. Same as Swain .

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

But a 57%+ winrate can't JUST be explained by annoying..they're obviously really strong rn, especially since Swain has a pretty OK pick rate.

blfUvZ8YbuMay 23, 20161 votes

''but then people would still rather complain about Zed.''

No fixed for you. but then bronzies and haters would still rather complain about Zed.

Steel BlossomMay 23, 20162 votes

I see diamonds and plats on this board complaining about Zed. Not sure if they're Dynamic Boosted, but still...

spombjopMay 23, 20162 votes

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I see diamonds and plats on this board complaining about Zed. Not sure if they're Dynamic Boosted, but still...

lol even phy complains about zed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZoQHSLsuAw

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

ADC mains complaining is nothing new tbh.

spombjopMay 23, 20161 votes

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You know, how Swain and Zyra now have 57%+ winrate...and Anivia is almost at 56%

just pick zed and counter them all. he is anti mage, just like kassadin in s3

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

"antimage", until item 3157 , then he kinda just scares the Zhonya out of you and runs away...

EcchiOtakuTMMay 24, 20161 votes

Zed will never counters anivia.

Dark NephthysMay 23, 20161 votes

Maybe it's because those 3 mages have more weaknesses than a Zed does? Especially Anivia where she really needs to scale up with 2 mana scaling items to really be decent. I can't say to much for Swain Zyra but I do know Swain also generally gets RoA first to. Zed on the other hand...well you better hope you are facing a terrible one or you literally can't do anything against him. If any of those 3 mages get fed, you can generally just sit back under tower and you can just play safe until team fights if you need to. Against a fed Zed, you better hope you are playing a mage that can get an early item 3157 or you will get dove under tower and killed without any hope. Hell...even adc's can't do anything against zed anymore now thanks to the nerfs to qss.

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

I mean, you saying that the Zed has to be very skilled at Zed to make Zed OP, and that a Zed can kill you over and over IF he's fed....those feel like pretty fair conditions for a champ to be so strong, right...

Dark NephthysMay 24, 20161 votes

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I mean, you saying that the Zed has to be very skilled at Zed to make Zed OP, and that a Zed can kill you over and over IF he's fed....those feel like pretty fair conditions for a champ to be so strong, right...

My bad, I worded it wrong before. What I meant from before is that Zed is one of those champions that is very hard to really do anything about. If it's a good Zed, he can easily poke you down for free without any real retaliation and then once you get low just ult and kill you under your own tower. If it's a bad Zed, they can still just try to poke and harass you like crazy since he has no mana cost and then shadows away from any ganks.

Though I feel everyone should just wait and see how Zed is after the nerfs/adjustments that he is getting on the pbe. I'm sorry...I just don't like facing Zed. I know he has "some" counterplay, and hes not the most broken champion in the game, but I just don't like how annoying he is to actually catch and kill and how mages only counterplay to him is item 3157 which isn't a great item on every mage, and that's only useful for stopping his ultimate which he can easily kill you without anyways.

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

Mage's counterplay to him isn't just zhonya. Leblanc and Ahri can juke him around pretty well. Also don't forget that assassins are supposed to counter immobile mages, so them having a bad time against Zed is not only balanced, but also intentional.

As for his poke, well, ever skillshot he lands on you is technically a small "outplay", and skillshots are generally balanced with that concept in mind, whether or not him landing specific shurikens are due to skill or luck.

alfavhunterMay 24, 20161 votes

Anivia isn't OP, they gave her more counter play with the rework with a damage nerf, the only way she does more damage is if the enemy just sits in her ult after the 3 seconds of buildup (which also takes a lot of mana meaning she has to rush mana before AP to not go OOM in 2-3 rotations

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

I'm just talking about winrates in general. These are obviously champions who are statistically stronger, but people don't exactly care about them being perhaps too strong.

alfavhunterMay 24, 20161 votes

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I'm just talking about winrates in general. These are obviously champions who are statistically stronger, but people don't exactly care about them being perhaps too strong.

The reason zed is hated isn't the fact that he is op (which currently he is riot is addressing this a bit in next patch)

It's the fact that he lacks weakness

Even when losing my lane he can farm well, he's mobile, does good damage, is strong in all aspects except team fights but even then he can get in kill a target and get out without much risk compared to other assassins

He has the safety of a Mage Mobility of an assassin, tankiness of a fighter, and had his counter play nerfed (zhonas CD) or outright removed (QSS)

He is a safe assassin, which is never healthy

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

His weakness is in how easily countered his aggression is, rather than how he can lose and die horrible deaths over and over. However, I also do see your point.

AbyssphereMay 24, 20161 votes

Where the hell are you seeing a 57% win rate for Zyra?

Steel BlossomMay 24, 20161 votes

Check OP.GG?

manbearswineMay 24, 20164 votes

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Check OP.GG?

Seems to be around 52% in most servers?

Vistha KaiMay 29, 20161 votes

Zyra became Azir 2.0.

She can keep anybody at defensive and never run out of mana, because she essentially has only one cheap spell that doesn't scale the cost with levels.

I mean, Azir has range around 1200, while Zyra has 1600, except she doesn't have to aim anything, nor stay in range of her plants.

PopCorn Chick3nMay 29, 20161 votes

Wow, hater on Zyra. You can pick Zyra mid and play against Azir. See who controls their pets better. 1200 range always hit and 1600 situational hit. Zyra plants only hit you if you are in plants spawn range ( THE SPAWN INDICATOR ) and only when her abilities land on you. If Zyra plant AI is that smart lol, then I will fking have more than 19th winning streaks on Zyra at platinum and probably in Diamond. I can't even win more than 6 winning streaks with the new Zyra, so calm your hating. Maybe people just need to learn the champion before hating on them lol.

Vistha KaiMay 30, 20161 votes

Zyra plants only hit you if you are in plants spawn range ( THE SPAWN INDICATOR ) and only when her abilities land on you.

Wrong logic. It's "or". Plants will continue attacking as long as you are in their range and only reset their priority when outside it or after 3 seconds (unless you get inside a circle of half their attack range radius, then they will continue indefinitely) at which point, yes, Zyra has to tag you again.