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Khazix is more op than people realize

JamesTheMage17··4 votes·7,310 views

While he is not broken, Khazix is indeed an op champ that is in need of work. I will present a few reasons why-

  1. His q damage. It is way too much, insanely overpowered, and can do more than veigars ult. No joke. I'll give you an example: I was jg as shaco, and the enemy Khazix decided to pay me a nice visit while I was getting my camp, in hoping for a kill. Because, well, I'm shaco... I had like 90% health after getting the camp, and kha had like 50%. NOTE- we were level three when the fight happened. I started by dropping a box and going invis. I did about 100 from behind, which is reasonable damage for shaco at level3. Then kha, in turn, used his q, doing about 315 (Again, lv3) and bringing me from 90-40, then jumped, and I was dead about a second later... I couldn't even get his health from 50-30 in the time he killed me.

  2. Good god, that jump range. It is insanely long (heh) and can literally go about halfway across a lane for a gank. He went from the bush to my turret where I was respawning (from the farthest point from the bush), landing literally farther than where I was standing, and then one shotted me with his miserable q.

(Lastly) 3. Multiple invises in one ability. That is unfair. It's like fighting Vayne, only you don't get two shotted by Vayne. If he's gonna do so much unfair damage, DONT LET HIM BE INVISIBLE MORE THAN ONCE.

Possible Nerfs-

  1. Reduce Q damage, or give it a less-dmg-to-champs ratio.
  2. Make his jump range lower- I don't like being ambushed from four bushes away.
  3. Make him only have one invisibility. It's just... Sigh.....

30 Comments

SIayton2 votes

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I was jg as shaco, and the enemy Khazix decided to pay me a nice visit

Stopped reading here.

You're the squishiest jungler, isolated by yourself. Not sure what you expected. Respect his isolation bonus. Shaco atleast has tools to deactivate it with his clone and boxes.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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I was jg as shaco, and the enemy Khazix decided to pay me a nice visit

Stopped reading here.

You're the squishiest jungler, isolated by yourself. Not sure what you expected. Respect his isolation bonus. Shaco atleast has tools to deactivate it with his clone and boxes.

Even if I'm the squishiest jungler, people shouldn't be doing 315 damage to me with one ability at Level 3. Also, I think nidalee is the most squishiest jungler right now.

Crossette1 votes

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EndlessSorcerer1 votes

God forbid a champion ward their own jungle or smite the Wolves for vision.

Erockandroll2 votes

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I was jg as shaco, and the enemy Khazix decided to pay me a nice visit

Stopped reading here.

You're the squishiest jungler, isolated by yourself. Not sure what you expected. Respect his isolation bonus. Shaco atleast has tools to deactivate it with his clone and boxes.

Though this does bring up an interesting Dynamic in Kha'zix's kit. Given that he is balanced around his Isolation bonus, He's going to be strong when it's in effect. This kinda sucks with lane ganks, as Turrets remove the bonus, But in the Jungle, His Isolation bonus against the enemy Jungler is going to have a much larger Uptime. And given that He builds lots of AD, he's going to have fast clear speeds and good dueling potential. Which can actually make him a nightmare to deal with if your the Jungler, and your not building tank.

Does this mean that He's OP? Does this make is Isolation mechanic a problem for game health? I don't know, I don't play Kha'zix, (or assassins for that matter) and I don't play against him, often enough to form an opinion of him.

Colgate Gator1 votes

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I was jg as shaco, and the enemy Khazix decided to pay me a nice visit

Stopped reading here.

You're the squishiest jungler, isolated by yourself. Not sure what you expected. Respect his isolation bonus. Shaco atleast has tools to deactivate it with his clone and boxes.

same, lol, squishy jungler, isolated, boom, dead clown.

Dedrius2 votes

Kha is definitely strong, and has been for a while, but he is not OP. If he doesn't get a lead he is pretty meh imo, and if you are going for a 1 shot carry champion then I would say rengar snowballs harder and does this job better.

Shac Norris2 votes

LOL reduce Q dmg.

no.

NotSpecialDude2 votes

Kha is in my eyes one of the most balanced assassins in the game, and for one simple reason. His power is primarily from his isolation mechanic.

If you don't have an ally minion or champ near you, he can do nearly double damage with his q and has enough tricks up his sleeve to win most 1v1s. Sticking with a teammate guts his damage, which is why when I play him I let bot know ahead of time they are going to get the least ganks if any.

Its also why he's a feast or famine kind of guy. Late game when everyone starts grouping and only idiots or splitpushers will go solo and the later are often just as good in 1v1 if even with kha in gold. If Kha can't close the game during mid game he falls off HARD as grouping teams reduce his effectiveness.

MissMikasa2 votes

Wow, what a QQ thread.

One thing I will say is that your whole complaining can be due to the result of his passive- of course if he got you alone in the jungle he would've done more damage because of his isolation bonus. That's what makes him strong in 1 v 1 duels but in ganks and teamfights his damage potential is increasingly lowered.

  1. That specific guy could've had a lot of AD in his runes and masteries to bump up his early game damage, you never know unless you looked him up.

  2. The jump range is increased if he evolves it, you dumbo. And that won't usually happen til level 11 because most Kha players evolve Q first at level 6.

4). His ult is fine. He has a long cooldown on it, and he has a specific amount of time to be able to use it again once he hits, and it has counterplay- grab a pink or scanning red ward thingy. Literally, I watched a Brofresco game the other day where he was playing Kha and the enemy team had a Rengar. Brofresco put in a combo on him, then realized he was about to die so hit his ult, went invisible, FLASHED away, JUMPED away, hit his ult again, and Rengar fucking caught up to him and he was dead.

Point is- Kha is not that much of a threat, in fact he has needed multiple buffs this whole season and probably still needs them. Riot even fucking make the Duskblade item FOR HIM because he and other assassins like Talon were underperforming.

He doesn't need those nerfs at all. You just need to learn to play against him and stop QQing.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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Wow, what a QQ thread.

One thing I will say is that your whole complaining can be due to the result of his passive- of course if he got you alone in the jungle he would've done more damage because of his isolation bonus. That's what makes him strong in 1 v 1 duels but in ganks and teamfights his damage potential is increasingly lowered.

  1. That specific guy could've had a lot of AD in his runes and masteries to bump up his early game damage, you never know unless you looked him up.

  2. The jump range is increased if he evolves it, you dumbo. And that won't usually happen til level 11 because most Kha players evolve Q first at level 6.

4). His ult is fine. He has a long cooldown on it, and he has a specific amount of time to be able to use it again once he hits, and it has counterplay- grab a pink or scanning red ward thingy. Literally, I watched a Brofresco game the other day where he was playing Kha and the enemy team had a Rengar. Brofresco put in a combo on him, then realized he was about to die so hit his ult, went invisible, FLASHED away, JUMPED away, hit his ult again, and Rengar fucking caught up to him and he was dead.

Point is- Kha is not that much of a threat, in fact he has needed multiple buffs this whole season and probably still needs them. Riot even fucking make the Duskblade item FOR HIM because he and other assassins like Talon were underperforming.

He doesn't need those nerfs at all. You just need to learn to play against him and stop QQing.

Somebody tell me what QQing is.

MissMikasa1 votes

QQing is basically people who hate a champ for no reason and/or constantly call for nerfs on a champ thinking they are too OP when they actually aren't.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QQ

Crossette1 votes

They really just need to make it so isolation is WAY harder to achieve, and lower the damage of that a bit. He shouldn't do 200 extra damage on isolated Q hits just because he got his ult.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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They really just need to make it so isolation is WAY harder to achieve, and lower the damage of that a bit. He shouldn't do 200 extra damage on isolated Q hits just because he got his ult.

Right? The circle is so tiny that you could literally be right next to your ally and still take (75% of your health) extra damage from it.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Khazix is more op than people realize

said every kha player since release.

still waiting for it

Shac Norris2 votes

He's kind of useless now tbh.

After all the gutting that they did, you'll never see him dominate in LCS ever again.

Sad because Kha'Zix was my go-to top laner back then.

The Minion hunt1 votes

kha was op when released , w proc'd passive, q damage was higher (isolated and not), his jump ad scaling was retarded, hence why he could lane mid and start teir yet still crush lane like it was nothing.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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kha was op when released , w proc'd passive, q damage was higher (isolated and not), his jump ad scaling was retarded, hence why he could lane mid and start teir yet still crush lane like it was nothing.

he just did the same thing a lot of assassins did.

he dunked people in lane then couldn't do anything after.

TheOvermind1 votes

Honestly all I hate about khaIx is fighting him after he hits 6. But as shaco you should never lose to him if you play your cards right. And you do have a lot of cards to play as shaco.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Now I know which champ I'm gonna buy next.

zlumpy1 votes

Kha is one of the most feast or famine heros I played.

Fail a gank badly, get counter jungled early, mess up on an item build timing? difficult uphill battle begins Get a quick counter JG against someone, early gank, nail that farm lane rotation due to team working juuusstt right? procede to om nom enemy and watch them cower under towers( not that those help much any more >.>)

Obviously I am not a good Kha and don't claim to be one. Just making observations based on past experiences/things seen in game.

Wînter Fox1 votes

I agree OP, there's a bunch of Kha'Zixs running around my kitchen floor, disappearing and reappearting behind the counters and fridge. I have to bring a can of Raid with me everywhere

Rivvy1 votes

Bruh.

Colgate Gator1 votes

I don't think he's considered a low tier jungler atm.

Mountain Warden1 votes

I'm not super concerned with Khazix. As others have pointed out, he's very feast or famine driven and you have to be playing a sharp early game to be successful later on. But if you're playing well, you'll be successful with most champs, not because Khazix is OP. Based on my own observation, he derives most of his power from his isolation mechanic and his Q. His actual auto attacks seem weak sauce compared to other champs so overall his damage is rather balanced. I'm more concerned with champs like Rengar who are just godlike right now.

JamesTheMage171 votes

To everyone who says kha is a weak earlygamer, I respectfully disagree. He will melt ur health down in about 2 seconds especially because everyone is squishier in the beginning. Tanks may counter kha Lategame, but as of early game, he really has no counter.

MissMikasa1 votes

Again- isolation bonus. If he hadn't had that, he would've probably done the weak as shit damage you did to him.

RemoveScurvy 691 votes
  1. in my opinion kha is not OP he is strong but he needs skill. yes he has a strong early game bc of the isolation bouns. but if u dont do well in early game u r done. ofc a i said he needs skill but nerf him?? i think he dont need bc hes auto attack is weak (from what i have seen) and every champs has a weakness. kha's weakness is that he lose his isolation when u r not alone. so if u r 2 ppl attacking 1 kha u would kill him. but he is strong. (btw teemo needs nerf in my opinion xD) alot of ppl that i played aginst said renekton is op but he is not. (renekton main here) and who playes shaco anyways he is weak. he is squishy does 0 damage hes ulti is good but that doesnt change th fact that he is weak.this text is very long i know xD. Renekton
Alex h87211 votes

The Only op thing about Kha right now is Ult evolution + duskblade interaction, getting invis just by going in a bush so you can get an easy duskblade proc potentially multiple times in a row is very strong but kha can still be deleted very easily

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