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Can we talk about Cassiopeia .. yet again Riot?

U4fyn2vZzW·1/18/2016, 4:41:31 PM·87 votes·35,892 views

It has become evident to many pre-rework Cassiopeia players that their once beloved snake lady has been reduced to nothing but mere ashes ever since her uncalled for rework.

Riot has made it abundantly clear on many occassions that they ...

  1. Have no idea what they want Cassiopeia to even be as they've attempted to turn her into a late game hyper carry but neglect the fact she's an immobile mage that relies on poisons and
  2. Have had no real care about Cassiopeia since her rework and arguably even before it.

**But never mind the fact this rework is a colossal failure and has been since its release on many different factors, never mind the fact that Riot has given a giant middle finger F U to dedicated Cassiopeia players that have given solid feedback to this "rework", let's dicuss why Cassiopeia is a massive flop yet again. **

**Probably the biggest problem with Cassiopeia that has been stated so many times at this point my human brain cannot fathom the number is that it takes TO LONG FOR HER TO BE USEFUL. ** Riot has gone out their way to turn Cassiopeia into a late game hyper carry but have completely made it so that her late game hyper carry scaling is depended on a time passive that takes forever to stack, is completely boring in every sense of the word, and unnecessary for the same exact reason. Meanwhile actual hyper carry's like Veigar, Azir, Ryze etc can reach their late game power spike faster and in some cases offer MORE then what Cassiopeia can in a shorter time frame.

**Cassiopeia's core identity has been completely butchered for some man's hard on for stacking passives. ** Cassiopeia's core identity use to be one thing no matter how you played her and that was - debilitation: weakening her enemies downed. But ever since this joke of a passive has been introduced nearly all of her AP ratios have been completely gutted to compensate for the massive amounts of unneeded AP she'll receive later on in the game. What you're left with is a champion that is pretty damn shallow and is nothing but a pathetic shadow of her former self. I kid you not, I have had mid laners literally stand inside my miasma and laugh because the damage is that pathetic it's taunt worthy and I don't blame them. When you have a champion who's poisons, which are core to the kit, are such a goddamn joke that the only threat they offer to your opponent is causing them to start choking on their sour patch kids because of how laughable the damage output is you know something is wrong.

**Cassiopeia is continually neglected. ** There is absolutely not debate here, this is the most NEGLECTED REWORK EVER. There have been countless ideas on how to improve Cassiopeia to make her overall a healthier champion and more fun experience in the game, but all of this has been neglected. Hilariously, even the person that reworked her has, for a majority of the rework, completely ignored her fan base and did whatever the hell he saw fit and had in his insane little mind. Why Riot has completely decided to abandon Cassiopeia for so long is beyond me, but I still find it pretty pathetic that they have done this to her player base when all we've asked for is someone to fucking look at her and fix the problems we list over and over. Is that so much to ask for Riot? A champion we've grown attached to and purchased every skin for, enjoyed countless hours on, and crafted memories with to simply be made somewhat viable again and less of a colossal piss off whenever you play her?

**Cassiopeia's rework was never called for. ** I personally cannot think of one time when anyone ever has stated that Cassiopeia needs a rework, literally whenever I would ask someone what they would change about Cassiopeia (pre-rework anyway) I would always get a reply along the lines of QOL changes, fixing her ultimate, and maybe making miasma a little bigger so its somewhat more of a threat in large team fights. But nonetheless, I've never heard anyone say that Cassiopeia needed a rework and now that I think about it I believe that Cassiopeia, pre rework, was probably one champion that was one of the most least complained mid laners in the game if not the most. This rework was a colossal turd that was melded into a rework and presented to us as if we are suppose to take it seriously and just live with it, but I can't do that anymore.

**Riot, it's time to give Cassiopeia a full relaunch or either revert her back to her pre-rework state and work from there. ** You don't think her play style is healthy? Fine, relaunch her into something entirely different as long as she keeps debilitation in her kit I won't mind but keeping this piece of trash in the game is blatant disrespect to her fans and a slap in the face to anyone that has loved Cassiopeia since release.

Sincerely,

A disappointed Cassiopeia player.

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RiotRiotRepertoir1/18/2016, 11:14:49 PM58 votes

relaunch her into something entirely different as long as she keeps debilitation in her kit I won't mind

What does "debilitation" mean to you? I see suggestions like this come up from Cass players pretty often, but it's usually not followed by much more than wanting DoTs to be emphasized on the kit, and Twin Fang to be de-emphasized. Do keep in mind I'm not saying this is incorrect. However, I do hope that if we were to do poisons or "debilitation" better, it would manifest in a way that wasn't just stronger DoTs. Unique debuffs? Time delayed afflictions? More CC? Is it simply that you want your Q to be stronger in lane?

Please do keep it civil from this point forward. I'm interested in what's going on here, minus a lot of the aggressive nature (though I understand it to a degree, to be fair).

Canastus1/18/2016, 9:06:10 PM14 votes

Well written post, I agree entirely. She has been neglected for years now and the one time she receives a champion update it turns out to be the worst of its kind, what a colossal slap in the face to any Cass veteran out there.

To make matters worse, they didn't even care to do a followup, neither did they consider any feedback from her actual playerbase. Instead they forced this abomination through along with a kit and playstyle that's too binary and leaves no room for diversity or improvement since it would apparently break the champion.

They never once addressed her actual issues (lack of range, immobility, squishyness, awful ultimate and nonexistent AOE damage since the rework), instead they only increased the focus on those weaknesses and made them as blatant as ever. Right now there isn't a single matchup she could reliably win, even her lategame is vastly overrated and never exceeds a 50% winrate. Is this what we're supposed to put up with as a supposed "hypercarry"?

And that is if you even make it to the lategame, games tend to end a lot earlier nowadays due to the crazy snowballing mechanics introduced by the season 6 changes. Her current powercurve is set between 35% and 44% during early to midgame, that's already a massive handicap and just to receive a mere 50% winrate after all the shit you have to put up with is no sufficient reason for ever playing this champion if you can pick up any of the dominating early game champs and still remain above a 50% winrate throughout the game.

I also tried contacting some of the developers at Riot via Twitter like some other Cassmains on here since they never respond to any of these threads and they didn't even care to reply. After confronting them with statistics and more arguments they simply proceeded to block me. This is exactly how Riot treats feedback and criticism concerning issues that make them look bad, they simply ignore them - how incredibly unprofessional.

I seriously ask myself who they're making this game for if they don't even listen to dedicated mains and longtime players anymore, all they care about nowdays is on how to fill their pockets with the latest broken champion release. Yes, I know that they're going to work on a mage update later this year but that'll take them at least SIX MORE MONTHS until that moment has come, are we supposed to wait an entire year since the day she received her last set of nerfs?

They don't even acknowledge her existence when it comes to skins (1074 days since Jade Fang Cass came out), lore or anything else anymore, she simply doesn't fit into their perfect little world. I swear, there has to be an unwritten policy we don't know about that prohibits them from talking about Cass at all.

Even Meddler doesn't want to talk anymore, despite him contemplating some changes on her balancing before. Cassmains right now are in a far worse place than Mordekaiser's playerbase ever was, at least their situation is being taken seriously.

She really deserves a relaunch at this point, there's no other way to make up for this atrocious treatment. She's pretty much the Urgot of midlane, no joke - and she might become the next Yorick if this negligence keeps up.