Broken Master Yi, Overpowered on 7.12 with video proof.

Kraythax··3 votes·944 views

How is this not Overpowered? This is ridiculous. Any time Master Yi is in a game if he gets a couple kills he is literally unkillable. I am just Bronze 3 but then so is he. This is silly and I have several highlights of this nature showing the same. If you wait for him to come out of meditate he will have 1/2 to 2/3 health again. The only thing to do when he goes meditate is RUN and that is idiotic. He tanked 4 autoattacks and my W and understand at level 3 none of us had any significant items.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WznoJ4r6WAk

This Yi went on to score 32/9/5!

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2529046003/237909736?tab=overview

32 Comments

Slythion7 votes

you missplayed that so hard, lemme show you:

@ 0:10 you didn't use your W to reset the auto, effectively missing out on one of many future autos

@ 0:11 you failed the stun

@ 0:12-0:13 you canceled two autos

@ 0:16 you wasted your W while he was taking reduced damage

Idk about you, but between missing 2 autos from stun, canceling 2 autos, and wasting a W, that's about half a champions health...if you had maximized your damage output just like the Yi did, then you would've won and gotten away with about half hp...

this isn't a clip about a broken level 3 yi, this is a clip of you screwing up in multiple ways that hindered your damage output so severely that someone was allowed to auto and Q you to death

edit:

Yi auto'd you 7 times w/ 2 Q's

You effectively auto'd him 3 times with 2 Q's

Kraythax2 votes

There is no doubt I didn't play that perfectly; I am not silver. But then neither is he. I have to learn to play better for sure. I appreciate the feedback. Though I don't know how I get those two autos at 12 and 13 while needing to chase him. Perhaps I click too much to chase, I don't know, I clearly overran him in the process when he turned. I don't have those reflexes to make split second click decisions at age 46. :) As for missing the stun, I noticed it but I don't know how I could miss it as I was point blank on him when I cancelled.

That being said, if I don't hit him while he is in mediate he comes back out with 1/2 to 2/3 health. So either I attack him while he meditates or deal with the fact that he has such a massive health gain. And again this char went 32/9/5 so it wasn't just me. No one, and I mean no one, could stop him or kill him. I have a dozen games to memory with the same issue. Namely if Yi gets 2 or 3 kills early, he becomes literally unstoppable.

Perhaps the solution is just play Yi. :)

Slythion2 votes

I have something that will help you in this first section if you care to read it. If not it'no biggie, you can just skip to the second part if you want. I'm just putting it out there to help out:


Attack-Animation Canceling I suggest going into a custom with Jax (or any auto-orientated champion you want to practice this on, including adcs) and go to scuttle, as it runs away which is good for what I'm about to suggest.

You go to this scuttle and auto it, but don't let the entire auto animation complete and instead click to move during the animation. The trick to this is that if you click too early, the attack is "canceled" and the damage isn't applied, but if you click just after the damage is dealt (but the ending attack animation is still in process) you can shave off some crucial time between autos in order to keep up with someone who's running away. It's essential animation canceling (think: Riven) only for autos rather than abilities.This method works for any sort of displacement, but the "move" function tends to be the most common method unless you're...well, Riven (and a few others). Here's a little clip to show you:

http://plays.tv/video/5948bd0288a5181646/for-that-one-dude-on-the-boards

I'm not perfect at it but at least it gives some visual example. Also, each champion's attack animation is different and so some champions can shave off more time from this method than others. I'm more familiar with Yi than Jax, but I'm sure Jax is able to do this attack-animation cancel pretty efficiently as well.

And don't worry about reflexes you grandpa, it's really more about muscle memory and you'll find it's pretty easy after doing it for a couple minutes.


As for his meditate, if you think you'll win coming as he's coming out of it then by all means continue autoing him. Autoing will tend to eliminate the healing effects at early levels and gives you time reset your cooldowns. When he comes out of it, then you make use of your abilities. The problem is that you used your W while he was taking reduced damage, if you had done so as he came out of it then the full damage would've likely killed him.

It's also important to note the Yi is a great champion for lower-elos (arguably one of the best, I'd say top 5). This is because of several reasons:

  1. jungle pressure is a relatively unknown thing in lower-elo junglers
  2. Lower elos tend to not run very cc-orientated team comps
  3. lower elos tend to not know how to effectively use cc on key members of the enemy's team
  4. lower elos don't know how to close out games, and they often stretch to much longer times than they should (which allows Yi to reach late game in which the only way to shut him down is...cc, which is a problem as you can probably tell)

You can see that he's really only efficient in lower elos as his win-rate steadily drops as the elo rises. He finally drops below a 50% win rate in plat+ elo and even rocking a 48% win ratio in Diamond+

I hope some of this helped you my dude, I've played quite a lot of Yi in my time so I'd hope I know a bit about him. I actually have climbed from bronze 4 - gold 5 with pretty much Zac + Yi twice, and have abused Yi several times while playing with lower-elo friends when the average team mmr drops. I'm a pretty dirty dude when it comes to the jungle >-<

Kraythax1 votes

I appreciate the tips and I will try them. However, I stand by my assertion that he is broken. Almost every game he is in he gets like 20 kills and 2 deaths. Yes, I am no pro but at the same time if a bronze playing against a bronze can't take out yi with 1/3 health then it's broken. And apparently one of his abilities Luis why my stun didn't land. So he has ability to avoid stun as well.

Edit: I am not so sure win rate is the telling factor. If Yi is on a team that does poorly he can have a 7 to 1 kill ratio and team still lose. In fact in the game I linked they BARELY won because we shut down our other opponents and played the objectives. It was a close fight. Furthermore for a "grandpa" I played one of my best Jax games there.

Slythion1 votes

the grandpa was just a joke my man, don't take it to hard :p

but the thing with league is that some champions have more success than others. Yi is a champion that tends to do well more for how bad the opponents play than how well he necessarily plays.

A bronze Yi will beat a bronze Azir simply because Yi's skill floor is lower than Azir's. By skill floor I mean "the amount of skill needed to find success". Generally, Yi is a fairly easy champion that can be played well enough to find success by most players, but he lacks a very high "skill ceiling". There aren't very many parts of his kits that can be used to express a player's skill, which is why he falls off in higher elos where more diverse and flexible picks (generally harder champions as well) are played to their maximum potential.

In general, complex champions will beat simple champions if both are played at their max potential. Simple champs will beat Complex champs if both are played at their worst. This is why Yi finds success in lower elos where not many people play anything very well, but he doesn't do well in higher elos where more complex champions are played at very high levels of skill.

Essentially, you're statement that "yi is broken" is both accurate and inaccurate. By all means and purposes Yi is broken in lower elos. This is because almost everything that people should do to shut down a Yi is unknown and isn't accomplished by poor players. This isn't necessarily a champion's fault though, but more of a playerbase fault, as better players don't have much of an issue practicing certain skills to shut down Yi that are not usually found in lower elos.

There is a reason the game is balanced around plat/diamond elo. If a champion has clear weaknesses that has been proven to be exposed by better players in the game, it would make much more sense to keep him as is instead of catering to players who don't practice and are generally bad at the game. Why ruin a balanced champion in mid-high elo simply because the poorer players of the game lack the skills to shut him down? That wouldn't be fair for players in gold+ elos who enjoy Yi, yaknow?

Kraythax1 votes

Ahh I wish I was a grandpa. That's a sentiment you might understand some day. :) Alas my kids haven't gone there yet.

Otherwise that was an excellent post and I commend you. Thanks. I wonder I am some kind of masochist that I like all the hard players. Cassiopeia, Riven, Ivern. I don't do as well as I would like with them but at the moment I am so vested i am like "Damnit I am gonna learn them!

Slythion1 votes

True, I am just an 18yr old on summer vacation lol

As for learning difficult champions, I wish you the best of luck. I used easier champion for lower levels just because it was less work, as laziness is easily my biggest fault in personality :^) Darius MasterYi Amumu for bronze elo had me an 80%+ win rate to gold, it was pretty fun lol

Casual Dude1 votes

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Kraythax1 votes

Ahh its the USA. I have right to complain. You of course have the right to ignore me. Freedom is grand. :)

The post below yours does a much better job without all the venom. And higher ELO that like beating up on lower ELO are just jerks and cowards because they dont want to fight those that can defeat them.

Slythion1 votes

no need to state almost exactly what I said, under my comment-chain, only in a much more aggressive/rude manor. C'mon man

Casual Dude1 votes

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Slythion1 votes

uh...alright internet warrior settle down with that edge lmfao

Kraythax1 votes

There is some solid advice in that post. Thanks. And again, I am no pro. :)

Handy Sandy 1 votes

that zyra summs and build tho

Kraythax1 votes

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that zyra summs and build tho

Sorry ,I don't follow.

Slythion1 votes

They are pretty terrible and not-meta when compared to usual zyra summs and builds. Like...ya it's just the best stuff for a Zyra in 95% of game

Commando Yi1 votes

you are not pantheon, save your stun, don't leap in with it you had red buff, if you leapt to him he'd have no choice but to fight you at which point it'd have been a free kill since you can choose when to activate your stun warrior + hydra is not a duelist build, razor + botrk is he has 3 sources of crit, where is your randuins?

Kraythax1 votes

Well, the fight was at level 3. I didn't even have challenging smite yet. Neither did he.

Kraythax1 votes

But your point about withholding stun is taken.

Scary Door1 votes

Hmm... sounds and looks like Bronze problems to me.

You misplayed it, simple as that. Master Yi is garbage. If you incorrectly use your CC, cancel autos and completely ignore him then of course he will seem overpowered. This is why Yi isn't viable in organized/competitive play.

Looking at some of these builds though... holy crap... what's going on in Bronze?

Kraythax1 votes

Well, bronze is bronze. Got to learn somewhere. I never claimed to be anything else. I think my mistake was using my e when I should have known he would alphastrike and avoid it. I tend to e-q-e on attack but that is not a good idea with fizz and yi as they have abilities that make them untargetable.

Joxcab1 votes

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Kraythax1 votes

Another person that cant make their points without nastiness. Others in this thread have been very informative and helpful. Perhaps you could follow their trend?

zarxus12341 votes

master yi is the best champ in the game. never does bad. has the ability to 1v5. anyone who says this champion is balanced is out of their mind.

Mig891 votes

Lol

BakedLotion1 votes

What the fuck did I just watch

You cancelled so many fucking autos You missed your E somehow You didn't auto reset with your W after you Q'd

And from the looks of it, he had attack speed runes that you don't

Kraythax1 votes

You know you could have made your point without the venom. I am not a pro and never claimed to be. I have gotten good advice in this post. None of it from you.

BakedLotion1 votes

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You know you could have made your point without the venom. I am not a pro and never claimed to be. I have gotten good advice in this post. None of it from you.

You could have made your point without calling Master Yi broken.

"How do I deal with Master Yi?"

Kraythax1 votes

But you see, I didn't use profanity or attack you personally. You did. SO I think I will just report your post and ignore you. Life is too short to deal with such things. :-)

Kraythax1 votes

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What the fuck did I just watch

You cancelled so many fucking autos You missed your E somehow You didn't auto reset with your W after you Q'd

And from the looks of it, he had attack speed runes that you don't

Profanity laced posts are .... not necessary.

MoldyCheese11 votes

CA....CAN YOU JUST......LIKE FUCKING.....CLICK HIM HE WAS ON 50 GOD DAMN HP AND YOU CANCELLED 2 AUTOS [zombie-brand-facepalm]

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