Bruisers and mages are now played in bot lane. This looked like more diversity at first - but in reality it's a result of the game becoming entirely focused around burst damage. Games are decided at the very beginning of the matches, so nobody can afford to pick champions designed for scaling.
Akali is SO HOT8 votesMarksmen are still picked a majority of the time. Mages and Bruisers appearing bot lane doesn't mean that Marksmen suddenly don't exist anymore.
LordGeovanni1 votesThis is true but they treat it like marksmen are part of this burst meta and the ones who caused it.
z63XnLCMwX6 votesActually, bruisers aren't burst. They're more sustained damage. Assassins and mages are burst.
Ok sure but why21 votesBruiser + 
= assassin
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Bruiser +
I think you're thinking of divers.
Bruisers are something like Nasus, Garen, Rumble, Jax. And even Jax is more of a skirmisher.
LilBadWitch10 votesHe's stating that bruisers in the current meta do assassin levels of damage after the purchase of Trinity Force.
Playing as a Mage / Marksman, Irelia and Zed both burst you and both feel like assassins.
We're in a meta where everyone effectively does 
levels of burst. There really aren't any DPS champions in the current meta, you're lucky if you survive for longer than 3 seconds against anybody as a squishy champion.
Frontline Fury1 votesHe's stating that bruisers in the current meta do assassin levels of damage after the purchase of Trinity Force.
Playing as a Mage / Marksman, Irelia and Zed both burst you and both feel like assassins.
We're in a meta where everyone effectively does
You explained it much better than my 30 hours without sleep-rid mind could
z63XnLCMwX1 votesHe's stating that bruisers in the current meta do assassin levels of damage after the purchase of Trinity Force.
Playing as a Mage / Marksman, Irelia and Zed both burst you and both feel like assassins.
We're in a meta where everyone effectively does
I concur. Although as someone who plays Singed a lot, I think he's a decent pick for someone who doesn't deal burst damage.
GayFluffyUnicorn4 votesSo you don't mean bruiser but irelia. Just say it and don't try to make it seem bruisers are dealing any sorts of dmg. Since the gutting of steraks they don't deal any decent dmg anymore.
TempName548464 votesyou must not play the game very much
SithesisLord2 votesJax, Irelia, Camille.
They´re all still doing bs amounts of burst because Conqueror still exists, for some idiotic reason. Camille less so because she deals bs amounts of burst regardless of rune.
Yets42401 votesThose three are all skirmishers, or by RIOT's old classification "light fighters," or if you go back further, "melee ADCs." None of them are bruisers, which contain the two subclasses "Divers" and "Juggernauts."
Think instead Vi, Garen, Darius, Olaf, Volibear, J4, Yorick, etc. Not Yasuo, Irelia, Camile, Jax, Yi, etc.
SithesisLord1 votesAnd yet Camille and Irelia are both defined as Divers.
Skirmishers are mostly defined by squishy, DPS based champions with some sustain. Or if you will, DPS assassins.
Divers are tanky DPS champions with some sustain but unlike Skirmishers, they can't get in and out. It's one or the other.
Jax is a hybrid of both, but he's much more a Diver than a Skirmisher nowadays.
3TWarrior1 votesjax was one of their three, as a note
Automated Riven1 votesRiot doesn't have a classification for bruisers. Bruisers is short hand for any champion who is melee and builds both defense and offense. All of those champions are bruisers.
Warlord Scrap1 votesAnd rumbles a mage even by riot on there last subclass release.
Divers are also bruisers.
Automated Riven1 votesDivers are also bruisers.
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Bruiser +
+ 
= Assassin.
Ok sure but why1 votesTanks + = assassin
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Bruiser +
This is why the balance team doesn't listen to the boards.
Frontline Fury1 votesActually, bruisers aren't burst. They're more sustained damage. Assassins and mages are burst.
Bruisers have the tools to survive burst. Also why Swain is such a dominant bot lane pick - his ultimate grants him so much health nobody has the tools to bring it down early game.
LatetotheRace3 votesI will agree that they WERE.. but they no longer are.
King Braum2 votesActually, bruisers aren't burst. They're more sustained damage. Assassins and mages are burst.
the entire reason Bruisers are put in bot is because they dont get brusted down like most ADCs
LordGeovanni1 votesAs a bruiser main bruisers are burst they only have one option for sustained damage and its also burst they sustain in low cooldown low damage (compared to other classes ) bursts.
Burst is not how much damage you do its how you do your damage if most of your damage is done in short windows say
E Q with trinityforce proc and 
reset that is burst.
same with 
.
this is largely because damage is so high and defense is so trash bruisers cant afford to take other attack speed items without getting instagibed. Sure some people do defense better than others do defense but defense as a whole is trash.
Glory975 votesBurst orientation and botlane diversity don't correlate directly. The main reason for the current botlane meta is the fact that games are too snowball-heavy, conventional adcs are not given the time to scale up and the class they counter the most (tanks) were banished from the game due to conqueror.
Bruisers and mages in botlane are not nessecarily unhealthy for the game/ sign of an unhealthy burst meta. If conqueror gets nerfed / tank items buffed, so that tanks can return to the game. And some of the snowball mechanics are decreased, there can be a meta, where traditional adcs are equally viable as the bruiser/mage-botlanes. You would draft an early game teamcomp with bruisers and mages in bot, that gets heavily punished if you don't manage to finish the game fast (which would ofc be harder than it is now), because of this comp being extremly bad at dealing with tanks and additionally facing the strenght of the scaling crit-build.
Yes such a meta has not been there yet, (so your initial statment is true up to date), but it doesn't have to always be true. I would be quite excited for such a meta, because there would be a lot of strategic variety, probably more than ever before.
LordGeovanni1 votesAgain Marksmen were never supposed to be a counter to tanks. One class countering tanking is a stupid concept in the first place. Adcs were considered to be good versus tanks pre season 4 but not because they were a 'counter' but rather because their safe, easy, and Constant damage allowed them to deal damage at a range where a tank cant retaliate on the adc in a team fight as they are protected by other classes and focused by multiple damage roles. The counter to tank and fighters is grouping up versus them when they are alone.
Glory971 votesBut of course Marksman are supposed to counter tanks. This is the whole point of there being different classes. Marksman counter tanks, tanks counter assassins, assassins counter adcs. Just like rock scissor paper. And it's definetly not stupid that rock specifically counters scissors right? This is the most fundemental concept on which moba-games are based on. And the IE change to crit for true damage didn't come out of nowhere. True damage is most effective against tanks. Adcs exist to counter tanks. To use constant dps to shred down their hp bar, which no other class can do reliably in a teamfight (with the exception of conqueror bruisers right now)
LordGeovanni1 votesMarksmen are not supposed to counter tanks. Classes are supposed to proform jobs. Marksmen's job is Ranged consistent damage Mage's job is windowed burst damage. Tanks Job is front line damage absorbsion. Fighters do Front line damage absorbsion and consistent damage. The damage absorbsion isnt supposed to be as good as tanks because they are splitting their build but the consistent damage should be as good or better than marksmen because they risk short range to do damage. The only class that is designed as a counter is assassins who are designed to quickly pick off squishy ranged champions. The jobs they do eventually counter each other but the countering of other classes is not what they are about. Marksmen counter tanks was never (pre season 4) about Marskmen killing tanks quickly but rather that they had enough range to do damage to tanks while tanks couldnt fight them back. Moba's are designed around roles and the jobs the roles do not Indiviual classes countering each other.
Painted Celt3 votesCertain mages/APCs should be healthy as bot laners. In my opinion, bot lane should be the lane for "back-line artillery" to go, and that artillery can be either AD (Marksmen/ADC) or AP (Artillery-Mages/DPS-Mage/APC), the important aspect of the role being that their primary purpose on a team is dealing damage from the back-line while being vulnerable (generally immobile and squishy) enough to need to rely on protection from the front-line in teamfights and early protection from a support in laning. Mages need new DPS item options to succeed healthily as APCs and physical damage dealers need to be worse at shredding tanks.
If your team composition lacks physical damage:
Then the best choice should obviously be to bring an ADC marksman bot lane to fix that.
If your team composition lacks magical damage:
Then the best choice should be to bring a magic damage carry bot lane.
[AP Kog]
Painted Celt1 votesMarksmen and squishy DPS mages should be thought of as the two halves of a primary class called Artillery, with the line drawn between them based on damage type (physical vs magic) and attack method (autoattack vs abilities), and they would be united by their shared strengths of damage output and long-range. All Artillery champion should be allowed to go to bot lane and should be picked based on team composition need (physical vs magic) and preferred playestyle (autoattack 
vs abilities ).
By the way, I think some Artillery should be considered secondary catchers or even primary catchers based on how much CC utility they have: 
Burst mages should be absorbed into the Slayer class with either a primary or secondary role as an Artillery or catcher.
Battle mages should be split up into all of the different classes, depending on whether they are more like Artillery-Mages/Catchers , or Juggernauts/Tanks 
.
C9 Rush1 votesI thought burst meta was good for your health
C9 Rush1 votesstick a banana in your ear
Meep Man1 votesIt is a sign of diversity as that is what it is: diversity. The real question is is it healthy? In it's current iteration, I'd say no, but we are closer to a healthy, diverse Bottom Lane than we have ever been since League first ever began and there was no meta.
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It is a sign of diversity as that is what it is: diversity. The real question is is it healthy? In it's current iteration, I'd say no, but we are closer to a healthy, diverse Bottom Lane than we have ever been since League first ever began and there was no meta.
How is it diverse if there's 2 classes less in the meta. Botlane is just as undiverse as it always was. The champions on botlane simply changed. And overall marksmen and shield supports pretty much don't exist anymore. So now you have mages on bot AND on mid. Doesn't sound very diverse to me :/ [fiora-cool]
Hyquiem1 votesDude not all mages are burst mages,, We have artillery and battle mages for a reason the only 2 that are capable of being in bot lane are battle mages and burst. Plus one of them do single target dps adcs got nerfed so now it’s assasins Mets, after this will be mage meta.
Madsin254 votesLet's be real battlemages are burst mages with shorter range.
3TWarrior1 voteswould you rather it was "assassins" or "supports" or a second marksman
there are kind of only 6 or so basic classes to deal with so now 2 more are in bottom lane
what experience would it be for marksmen or mages if assassins could function in bottom lane that were not "intended" to be there?
Sire Hippington1 votesnot necesarily, Bruiser and mages could be in bot if things are divers without haveing a burst+snowball meta in theory. However, i agree that right now it's more a symptom of the snowball+burst rather than well balanced healthy diversity.
