How do you play against himerdinger adc?

HalexUwU··2 votes·3,248 views

I've recently played against a himerdinger adc and I'm honestly just so confused on how you play against it. I play alot of Janna but I actually don't know how I can do anything against this champ. He's quick, he does a lot of damage, and if you actually do poke him not only does he have minions helping him but also his turrets. Along with that if he lands a stun on you, you will almost always die.

Seriously what's a support counter pick? Or just in general, how do you play against this champion?

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xHeimtechZX4 votes

Take someone with long range and then kill his turrets. His turret mana cost isn't as much of an issue as his charges, and those charges are something very important for Heimerdinger to consider. Lux support is fine (even tho I do destroy Lux as Heimerdinger in mid, Lux does a good job at clearing turrets and zoning Heimerdinger if he isn't careful). Caitlyn is good against him. Miss Fortune is good. Jhin is good. Tristana is good. You get the point. You'll outzone him and kill his turrets far from its range. For supports, you could go as Orianna, Syndra, Xerath, Zoe, Swain, etc. Sure, a lot of Heimerdinger's damage comes from his missiles, but he's very mana hungry if he keeps using it. Plus, it can be a bit difficult to aim his missiles if he wants to hit all of them to utilize the most damage. Please just don't run into his turrets. Farming under tower is fine. He is a lane bully, treat him as such. Only go through his turrets if you know you can secure a kill. He is squishy, but a good Heimerdinger can kite well. He has movement speed around his turrets. Especially be careful if he has a stopwatch or Zhonya. Zhonya's Hourglass is just too good of an item.

FSRER4 votes

At botlane, you try picking champions that have as much range as possible or enough damage to kill turrets in 1 or 2 hits early on. Caitlyn and Draven both work very well against Heimer and with a good Poke support, he should be no problem for ya

Infernape3 votes

Play Syndra lol

Darkdemon6533 votes

Corki, Draven, Ezreal, Jhin, MF, Twitch, Vayne, Tristana, Varus, Ashe, Senna, Caitlyn, Jinx, and Kog with W all out-range his turrets. While the turrets are hard to kill early on, they get pretty squishy as the lane goes on.

BrokenRayquaza2 votes

You don't. Top laners and mid laners have been complaining for years. We thought he was gone for good in s9 when he was barely played but they conq got reworked and now he's broken again :/

taleofsonata2 votes

You're playing one of those champions that heimerdinger is good against, have you tried Brand/Vel koz? They do exceptionally well vs Heimerdinger.

R0ses R Red2 votes

You don't. Not even exaggerating. Heimerdinger's design is just trash. Until you're big enough to kill his turrets quickly, you let him push you under the tur. For counterpicks, I'd assume Morg, Syndra, Yasuo, and Tahm Kench.

xelaker2 votes

A bunch of children are crying "you don't". Anyone that can drop his turrets fast will do fine. Senna, fidd, lux, vel, and ziggs could prob all handle them just fine, maybe brand and so on. Enchanters aren't gonna bring a lot to the table to bother heim. Better yet just have a real long range adc like cait and just kill the turrets while you/they cs. Siv could prob do pretty well with her good waveclear and spellshield.

The thigh guy1 votes

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A bunch of children are crying "you don't". Anyone that can drop his turrets fast will do fine. Senna, fidd, lux, vel, and ziggs could prob all handle them just fine, maybe brand and so on. Enchanters aren't gonna bring a lot to the table to bother heim. Better yet just have a real long range adc like cait and just kill the turrets while you/they cs. Siv could prob do pretty well with her good waveclear and spellshield.

So you spend all your resources to remove his turrets (which he can just put down again) then what? Sit there and twiddle you’re thumbs because you’re now oom and he’s still hard shoving your lane?

vgamedude2 votes

By right clicking on him since his abilities can actually miss. While simultaneously outscaling him.

The thigh guy1 votes

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By right clicking on him since his abilities can actually miss. While simultaneously outscaling him.

And then die instantly to him because of his undodgeable one shot?

vgamedude3 votes

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And then die instantly to him because of his undodgeable one shot?

Please do tell what the hell heimerdinger has that is an undodgeable one shot? Pretty rich coming from the role that relies on sustained unmissable attacks.

The thigh guy1 votes

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Please do tell what the hell heimerdinger has that is an undodgeable one shot? Pretty rich coming from the role that relies on sustained unmissable attacks.

If you auto him and complete one full auto attack. He WILL hit you with his e. And the moment that happens he gets to land a full channeled r>w on you. You cannot dodge this if you auto him.

also funny you mention they can’t miss autos. This is because there is no adc instant killing someone in an auto attack unless fed to A STUPID degree.

vgamedude4 votes

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If you auto him and complete one full auto attack. He WILL hit you with his e. And the moment that happens he gets to land a full channeled r>w on you. You cannot dodge this if you auto him.

also funny you mention they can’t miss autos. This is because there is no adc instant killing someone in an auto attack unless fed to A STUPID degree.

HIS E IS NOT UNDODGEABLE

you cant dodge if you auto him

what is orbwalking? Or adcs with dashes or escapes etc.? Stop pretending like it's just as hard for someone to auto as it is to hit a skill shot. Maybe try playing heimer once and you will know how ridiculous this is.

The thigh guy1 votes

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HIS E IS NOT UNDODGEABLE

what is orbwalking? Or adcs with dashes or escapes etc.? Stop pretending like it's just as hard for someone to auto as it is to hit a skill shot. Maybe try playing heimer once and you will know how ridiculous this is.

HIS E IS NOT DODGEABLE WHILE IN ANIMATION LOCK. CAN YOU EVEN EYEBALL?

and oh? So your only option is to play hyper mobile garbage?

vgamedude2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Alsr33j,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-09T20:56:06.456+0000)

HIS E IS NOT DODGEABLE WHILE IN ANIMATION LOCK. CAN YOU EVEN EYEBALL?

and oh? So your only option is to play hyper mobile garbage?

ANIMATION LOCK FOR AN ADC WITH ATTACK SPEED AUTO ATTACK?

Are you actually kidding? Hyper mobile garbage? Most adcs have mobility or escapes now too. Holy hell adc mains are entitled. One mage gets a 2 percent pickrate in bot lane that is still 90 percent marksmen and you guys cry about how broken it is.

The thigh guy1 votes

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ANIMATION LOCK FOR AN ADC WITH ATTACK SPEED AUTO ATTACK?

Are you actually kidding? Hyper mobile garbage? Most adcs have mobility or escapes now too. Holy hell adc mains are entitled. One mage gets a 2 percent pickrate in bot lane that is still 90 percent marksmen and you guys cry about how broken it is.

No. Most adcs DO NOT have escapes.

And please. Do tell where is an adc going to get that attack speed in the lane phase? Gonna rush that rapid fire cannon? XD

But yeah. Adcs do get mad when another class comes into their lane. SEEING AS ITS THE ONLY ONE RIOT WILL LET THEM BE IN.

Also funny. Weren’t too laners just crying about Vayne top. With a 0.4% pick rate? Hmmmmmmm

vgamedude2 votes

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No. Most adcs DO NOT have escapes.

And please. Do tell where is an adc going to get that attack speed in the lane phase? Gonna rush that rapid fire cannon? XD

But yeah. Adcs do get mad when another class comes into their lane. SEEING AS ITS THE ONLY ONE RIOT WILL LET THEM BE IN.

Also funny. Weren’t too laners just crying about Vayne top. With a 0.4% pick rate? Hmmmmmmm

Vayne Tristana Lucian Ezreal Corki Kaisa Xayah

also plenty of champions have no escapes not just adcs. LIKE HEIMER

The thigh guy1 votes

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Vayne Tristana Lucian Ezreal Corki Kaisa Xayah

also plenty of champions have no escapes not just adcs. LIKE HEIMER

Corki isn’t an adc anymore. And cool. 1/3 of the rouster of adcs have a escape. Most of which is on a long cooldown. 1/3 is not most.

Also way to ignore the main point.

vgamedude1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1Alsr33j,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-09T22:09:30.311+0000)

Corki isn’t an adc anymore. And cool. 1/3 of the rouster of adcs have a escape. Most of which is on a long cooldown. 1/3 is not most.

Also way to ignore the main point.

Plenty do, and if you want a bigger champ pool than how about adcs stop throwing a hissy baby rage fit when other champions make the way into "their" role? Every other role in the game has other classes that can fill the spot besides bot.

Ever wonder why that is?

The thigh guy1 votes

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Plenty do, and if you want a bigger champ pool than how about adcs stop throwing a hissy baby rage fit when other champions make the way into "their" role? Every other role in the game has other classes that can fill the spot besides bot.

Ever wonder why that is?

Sure. Once people stop bitching when adcs go into other roles

I mean top laners are still crying about Vayne top with under a 1% pick rate.

vgamedude1 votes

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Sure. Once people stop bitching when adcs go into other roles

I mean top laners are still crying about Vayne top with under a 1% pick rate.

Almost like the role that hyper scales harder than any other being able to bully IN EARLY lane without a sup frustrates people.

Change how marksmen work and it will be no issue when they go elsewhere. We already see tristana, lucian, and vayne in other lanes even in pro FAR FAR FAR more than we see any non marksmen bot lane. I watched the demacian cup recently and dont recall a single non marksmen bot lane pick.

The thigh guy1 votes

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Almost like the role that hyper scales harder than any other being able to bully IN EARLY lane without a sup frustrates people.

Change how marksmen work and it will be no issue when they go elsewhere. We already see tristana, lucian, and vayne in other lanes even in pro FAR FAR FAR more than we see any non marksmen bot lane. I watched the demacian cup recently and dont recall a single non marksmen bot lane pick.

My god. The amount of hypocritical you are is fucking insane.

“We want to play in that role but they can’t play in our role!!!!! It’s only fair!!!”

That’s the boiled down version of what you just said. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Adcs bitch when other champions take over THE ONLY FUCKING PLACE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE.

vgamedude1 votes

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My god. The amount of hypocritical you are is fucking insane.

“We want to play in that role but they can’t play in our role!!!!! It’s only fair!!!”

That’s the boiled down version of what you just said. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Adcs bitch when other champions take over THE ONLY FUCKING PLACE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE.

BECAUSE NO OTHER CLASS IS VIABLE IN BOT lane carry role, yet bot lane carry classes are viable elsewhere. How does that make sense? How could it mean anything other than marksmen being super strong? They are so powerful they are the only class type with a role exclusively for themselves.

BandleBooty691 votes

step one you dont

Ornn1 votes

nerf his Q cooldown so he can't just keep spamming out turrets remove conq from the game and ez pz wont ever see that unbalanced garbage anymore

Inuksuk1 votes

Well I have had the best luck fighting him by flanking from the side with my champ. make like your going to ward and come at him from the side where you will likely only have to deal with one turret. trying to fight him head to head is kind of a losing battle.

As for hard counters there is no better one than Syndra Syndra. Pick up a turret throw it another turret and cast a ball = 2 dead turrets. He uses his ult + turret, pick up the big turret and throw it away from your fight.

AlienPrimate1 votes

As support there is the option of going Sion. He can knock the turrets back into a useless position with his E without having to kill them. Tahm can do this as well but he has to get closer to do so.

CurS1VE1 votes

i play heimer adc when my support locks something stupid, or if the enemy team locks a really insane bot lane that just shits on most other things like Cait + any sup wit CC for example. Also I lock it first pick sometimes when I don't want to get counter picked since he is so self sufficient.

First thing is to destroy the turrets without taking too much poke, this isn't actually too hard and his timers to place down turrets is actually kinda long, so the longer the lane goes the better your chance to kill him early.

Also don't walk in straight lines, like ppl telegraph where they are walking or going so frequently that it makes hitting those E's and W's pretty simple against most, you have to walk in different directions, not just in straight lines. That's probably the most important thing

Honestly when I play against Heimers i don't feel like he is too strong, maybe cause i play as him i know how to play against him?

Anyways i usually play Sivir or Xayah against Heimer, with sivir its just basically to play a super safe lane, i'm not looking to kill him really unless he eats Q's and more than likely he can't kill me since i can just E his E..Then I can W and knock down most of the turrets.

The other part is punishing him when his turrets are on CD, it's actually pretty easy to tell when the Turrets are on CD. If you noticed he isn't laying any down then chances are lol he doesn't have any charges, if you have a all-in champ / support setup then that is the best time to really pressure him.

I think most ADCs can do fine against, I remember a Aphelios who i had a lot of trouble with as well since he can do a lot of things that Heimer can do.

I really think it's just about picking your spots and recognizing when but also just learning how to path better. Most ppl in low elo only walk 1 direction, many don't use any sort of Attack move or anything..So if you just walk straight and just assume you aren't gonna get stunned up then that's your first mistake right there. Learn how to walk up then back then path in right to left sorta stuff with the goal being the same destination but you take a lot of different directions to get there.

If you are Janna I think she is a fine support into heimer, you could just shield yourself and take out his turrets whenever you want, then just W and Q.

The thing you don't want to do is go full on heavy commit cause that's actually how heimer gets ahead, when ppl get impatient and just want to brute force into all of his turrets when he still has Flash and R up and basically everything, it's like one of those things where it's not a good move, more than likely at least 1 or 2 of u will die if I lay down a RQ and hit a E on 1 person, now I'm fed and you are behind and that's where you mess up, you have to be methodical with how you handle it but at the same time not insanely passive or predictable..I want to stress that playing super passive is not a good strat either, you want to challenge him without eating too much poke and that's generally not too hard early; his all in becomes stronger the more predictable you play but also the more passive you play, since passive play generally means you are going to be eating a ton of poke from him.

OFC if that's too much you could just play Garen Yuumi and chill for like 5 levels and then @lv6 you just all in and kill him easy..

UF Dan1 votes

You don't lol. Literally an impossible matchup for any adc.

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