Stop with the true damage.

Denerka·8/20/2015, 10:17:48 PM·3 votes·756 views

Like legit.

Let's look at all the things in the game with (actual, not counting Anivia/Trundle/Zilean/etc.) true damage, in order of release:

The last four champions (Syndra on PBE) to have true damage are all reworked from champions that were designed to not have true damage. It may be easier to balance a champion by saying "Hey, this is going to do X damage and that's that," but it's incredibly annoying and unfun to play against knowing that there's zero way for you to itemize against it, save for stacking pure health, and even that doesn't work against Vayne/Fiora/Garen.

To clarify, I'm not commenting on the validity of any of these champions, I personally haven't tried the new Garen/Syndra. But the point is that Riot really needs to cool it. It used to be a rare thing, and now it seems to be expected on every single patch listing.

Riot stahp.

5 Comments

Red Ryu8/20/2015, 10:23:50 PM1 votes

Are you considering what the true damage does for each kit and how it interacts with a game itself.

You seem to be mad Nunu had true damage, but you ignore the fact it's his built in smite. You site Garen but forget that is requires the villain mechanic.

You seem to be thinking all true damage is bad without thinking what that means for each champions kit in terms of gameplay and power.

Critmaster Garen8/20/2015, 10:36:08 PM1 votes

are you seriously counting nunu?

lol

true damage to minions op. you heared it here first. i mean i understand the point youre trying to make, but come on. its hurting your argument more than it helps.

Earl Eulrich8/20/2015, 10:42:50 PM1 votes

it´s a good tool if you want the dmg stick to tanks more than to squishies. That change won´t make Syndra delete targets with low mr much faster than she already is but will help her out a tad vs tanks, which will help her a little.

Denerka8/20/2015, 10:44:52 PM1 votes

I never said Nunu was a problem. I said that he does, in fact, have true damage on his kit and he was in the original release.

The Sword Saint8/20/2015, 10:54:49 PM1 votes

Think about what the true damage means in context of what they are trying to accomplish. Fiora has %max hp true damage so she can duel anyone as long as she plays her cards right, and since she's a top laner where all the tanky fucks are the option was either to give her massive damage boosts to punch through tanks (which makes her actually more damaging against squishy targets than tanks) or the equivalent of 100% armor pen (true damage). The %max hp is there specifically so that she isn't fucked by hp stacking meatheads like volibear and mundo. %max hp true damage makes fiora deal the same amount of damage to tanks as squishies, which means that the playing field is a lot of even when fighting any given champion and it comes down to skill at playing the vitals minigame.

For Syndra, replacing some of her damage with true damage won't really effect her damage to squishy targets (who had low mr anyway, even before void staff/sorc. shoes/abyscal/etc. ), but it lets her punch some actually holes in tanks. Note that it's just the bonus damage which sticks to tanks, and not the whole spell, because she's not supposed to be an anti tank or duelist type champion, but they wanted to buff her a bit and decided to try making her a little bit better vs tanks.

Junglers (and nunu/cho) have smite because they are generally used against non player characters over and over again in game, and it would be unnecessarily annoying to have to make a rough guess all the time, so they decided to make those abilities do less damage then if they weren't true damage bit easier to use.

Vayne's a hunter, her %max hp true damage is like fiora's - it's there so that noone can just walk up to a character who'se entire theme is being a 1v1 fighter and just shrugging off her damage because they bought some tank items.

You should be happy that riven is a warrier who hails from large battlefields, if she was a 1v1 swordfighter she might have gotten true damage at some point too - as it is you get to see what happens when you are forced top build all ad without any true damage and a fed tanky guy catches you (hint, you get rekt because you can't do meaningful damage to them but they can squish you).