Can we talk about how rediculous Champion Design's are lately?

BLIGHTBRINGER·11/25/2019, 6:02:48 PM·2 votes·1,456 views

####Spelling Fix in the title: Can we talk about how ridiculous Champion Design's are lately?* (Credit to: Crimson Zeppelin for pointing it out)

Remember a time when simple champions used to exist (Example: Ashe Passive Attacks that slow enemies, Q bonus On-Hit Damage, W a wide volley attack, E global Vision Sweeper, and R a global Stun)

Nowadays we get champions like Kaisa Kai'Sa, Senna Senna and now Aphelios who have so much overloaded stuff in their kits that other older Champions literally cannot keep up and handle all this shit.

Is it interesting and unique? Yes. Is it too much and it's gamebreaking? Definitely.

##Kaisa Kai'Sa

  • Bonus On-Hit Damage (that is increased with each additional Plasma Stack).
  • Plasma bonus Damage also is added on W.
  • Allies's CC also applies Plasma Stacks (that allow her to dash to the enemy that is marked with her R).
  • After 5 Stacks it detonates dealing % Missing HP Damage as bonus Magic Damage (that also scales with AP).
  • Bonus stats evolves abilities to become even stronger.
  • Q deals double Damage to Low HP Minions/Monsters.
  • Q Low Cooldown, High Damage ability that can be used as long as someone is near you (can be also used without stopping to move).
  • Q Evolve fires additional missiles that increase the flat Damage dealt by x3.25 (and also increases the bonus AD and AP Scallings by x3.25 as well).
  • W a long almost semi global ranged Ability that can be used for multiple purposes; Sniping/Finishing the enemy, Poking, to detonate the Passive Plasma Stacks, to apply 2/3 Stacks of Plasma, to gain Vision of the hit enemy for 4 seconds, and to be used to allow her to R to her enemies from a far range.
  • W has really high base damage that doesn't require to have additional points in because she scales that well.
  • W Evolve grants her 50% Cooldown Refund if she hits something and it also now applies 3 Stacks of Plasma.
  • E Grants free Movement Speed (that is further increased based on your bonus Attack Speed) during Charge and free Attack Speed afterwards.
  • Basic Attacks lower the remaining cooldown of E by 0.5 Seconds.
  • E Evolve grants invisibility for 0.5 Seconds.
  • R a long almost semi global range ability that can be used for multiple purposes: engage, disengage, reposition.
  • R has a big scalling Shield.
  • All of her abilities besides her E scale with both AP and AD.

##Senna Senna

  • Infinite scalling Passive (another one of those Nasus, Veigar wannabe's) that grants a ton of stats; every mist stack grants +1 AD, every 20 mist stacks give +25 bonus range and +15% bonus Crit Chance (after she reaches about 140 Mist Stacks she get's +175 bonus Attack Range and +100% Crit Chance for free).
  • After she overexceeds the +100% Crit Chance with her Passive she converts 35% of that Crit Chance into bonus Lifesteal.
  • Basic Attacks and Abilities that are used on enemies apply Mist for 4 seconds, and her next attack will collect a Mist Stack which will also deal 1% - 16% of the target's current health as bonus physical damage.
  • Senna's basic attacks grant her 10% - 20% of the targets movement speed for 0.5 Seconds.
  • Minions and Monsters also drop a Mist Stack every now a then (20% Chance or 5.5% Chance when it's her that lands a last hit).
  • Collecting Mist Stacks also gives +3 Gold.
  • Senna can also use her Q to collect multiple Stacks in the line.
  • Q deals damage and also heals Senna and her allies in the line.
  • Q is a point to click ability that can be also used on; enemy/ally turrets, minions/monsters, allies/enemies, wards and mist wraiths.
  • Basic attacks reduce the remaining cooldown of her Q by 1 second.
  • W Roots the main target and other enemies around the main target, killing a minion/monster with W instantly roots enemies around the main enemy unit.
  • E grants camouflage for herself and her allies inside the aura (allies that leave the aura are disguised as wraiths for the enemy). Senna herself is also obscured.
  • E also grants +20% bonus Movement Speed.
  • R is the fastest global ability in the game that deals physical damage in the middle line to everything and shields herself and her allies on the outer sides of the middle line.

##And then we get Aphelios...

  • An ADC with 15 different Abilities.
  • Each weapon with it's own niche making him even more flexible than both Kai'Sa and Senna Combined.
  • Since he doesn't need to level up his abilities due to them being leveled up automatically with certain levels, he instead gets to choose what stats he wants to get with each level; Attack Damage, Attack Speed or Armor Penetration.
  • Calibrum is a Poke weapon.
  • Severum is a Sustain weapon.
  • Gravitum is a Utility weapon.
  • Infernum is a AoE/Waveclearing/Team-Fighting weapon.
  • Crescendum is a Close Range 1v1 fighting weapon.

Keep in mind that this recent kit reveal is not even a full reveal because we don't even get any numbers, cooldowns, range different and so on.

Don't get me wrong this is a really Cool Champion design alongside Kai'Sa and Senna because of how different, unique and non-traditional they are, but keep in mind Riot, that designs like this make it impossible for the classic Champions to keep up with all this versitility that these designs come with.

I can already see him being perma-banned in LCS, tbh I don't think we will even see him in Pro-Play (because everyone will ban him) if his kit is going to be in the same state as it is on paper.

21 Comments

Her Kitty11/25/2019, 6:17:06 PM5 votes

You didnt read he has no w or e only q and r

wolf jade11/25/2019, 6:16:41 PM3 votes

Aphelios actually looks fun and good, not too much and HUGE skill cap/floor

Pika Fox11/25/2019, 7:51:10 PM2 votes

Its less that kits are overloaded and more in order to create a different playstyle you need to explain what that playstyle is.

Jhin has an essay passive. Doesnt mean hes super complex or overloaded, its just saying "this guy attacks slowly with a reload mechanic and extra damage. He also likes the number 4. 4 is important"

Likewise, senna really doesnt have that complex of a kit. Its just "senna attacks slowly, but really wants to save these mist things and gets stronger in doing so. Your gun is huge, slow, but hurts". Thats really it. Then its just math to explain their gameplay mechanic.

People complain about "overloaded kits" when its literally just telling you how this champion plays differently. Kits are still simple as fuck on paper and can generally be described in 5-10 words per ability.

Senna passive: slow attacks, scales damage and range.

Senna Q: linear damage and heal

Senna W: delayed aoe snare

Senna E: AoE unclickable costume

Senna R: Global linear damage and heal

Crimson Zeppelin11/25/2019, 6:40:16 PM2 votes

I really hope in 2020 people could properly spell ridiculous without looking ridiculous.

Raoul11/25/2019, 7:45:42 PM1 votes

RIOT Logic: Cant even balance the game with pretty straightforward champions, continue to make new champions so overloaded that even a good balancing team couldnt balance a game with them in it...

PixelLightShow11/25/2019, 7:51:48 PM1 votes

Don't get me wrong this is a really Cool Champion design alongside Kai'Sa and Senna because of how different, unique and non-traditional they are, but keep in mind Riot, that designs like this make it impossible for the classic Champions to keep up with all this versitility that these designs come with.

I also hate when people use i don't HATE YOU buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut arguments. Again please take the a passive aggressive tone away,this champion has done away with the mask of false civility the old generation and new generation have been keeping up for years.

The lines are drawn. Either you adapt and enjoy the fact that more complex champions are comeing and that is the way it IS.

Or you scream into the void and try and remove anyone from the game who wants to play this champion.

Illabethe11/25/2019, 7:58:21 PM1 votes

He smells like an updated Jayce.

AbiwonKenabi11/25/2019, 6:23:35 PM1 votes

Neeko ? Also Ashe is different from how she originally was, her slow used to be a toggle on an ability for example.

I don't think complexity = bad. It can mean that, but honestly Aphelios is going to be hands down the most difficult Champion in the game--with so many ammos and gun orders to keep track of, having to plan and think on your feet when you don't have the right gun available--so anybody who actually plays him and masters him is going to be near OTP with him.

Mahoh11/25/2019, 7:23:51 PM1 votes

Jhin is pretty op too. I'd like to see 100% of his kit nerfed by like a lot.

PixelLightShow11/25/2019, 7:44:04 PM1 votes

Ahh here we go. Allright boomer im going to be straight with you. You're going to have to adapt to the game,as its been changing for years. Old players have been against anything and everything that has evolved the game. However you people have just been passive agressive about it..that is until now.

This new champion is absolutely drawing the lines between old generation of league players and the new. The passive aggressiveness and masks are down. It's kind of nice in a way that we don't have to play nice or pretend to be civil about this now. It's all out in the open with this champions impending relase.

This is whats going to happen boomer.

The old generation(you) are going to attempt to stop ANYONE from playing this champion at any level. he will be ban on ones own team if one so much as declares him in champ select.

If a player attempts to pull something sneaky and change last minute,then people like you will outright refuse to work the player. You will likely false report as well.

IF the newer generation and some people like me from the old generation resit people like you. The newer generation may actually get very good with him. This would be the ideal ending to this scenario.

The problem is most popular you-tubers and pros..the people who basically shape the play habits and attitudes of the community are of the OLD generation of league players. They like you are going to rally against this champion pick serverly. Sadly this is the most likely outcome.

However If one can resit and get threw this for a few months. Then old boomer generation of league players. Who have refused to adapt will hopefully leave or be pushed out of the community. Opening the way for an entirely new set of league personality's,who are fine with more complex champions and the changes in the game,i'm hopeful there are more of them than you. As if you league boomers got your way this game would not evolve at all.