tank jungle items need to have gold gen to make them viable

MrSexyHobo·Dec 13, 2014·4 votes·479 views

when you are a tank you dont kill stuff fast. when you dont kill stuff fast you dont make much gold. when you dont make much gold you dont get items. a tank without items is really really useless. the most successful jungle item riot has ever made for tanks (quill coat SotG) was scrapped and replaced by an old SotG with no late game scaling and no gold gen. why?

6 Comments

AtheosisXDec 13, 20143 votes

Juggernaut need a thorns effect and armor, not a bigger gold bonus.

Blue Collar BearDec 13, 20143 votes

Personally, I think clear time on tank junglers is fine. Their first clear is just super shaky. After that clear, I don't have any real issues with it. It's still slow, but they're not going to get assassinated at their buffs.

Kuroi86Dec 14, 20143 votes

I just wish item 3725 got the % health from SotaG. Would be so good then.

GundayMondayDec 13, 20141 votes

They're adding gold to the jungle. Jungle item gives you extra gold per camp kill.

Teridax68Dec 14, 20141 votes

I think the point to the new jungle is that damage-oriented junglers lose a lot of health while clearing, though they might clear faster, whereas tank junglers get to have much healthier clears, even if they don't clear as quickly. The best way to balance the two around would be to tune the Jungler passive: the stronger its DoT/sustain over time, the stronger tank junglers become, so buffing monsters and the Jungler effect at the same time would benefit tank junglers to the detriment of damage junglers. I'm not entirely sure how good tank vs damage junglers are right now in general, but I don't think they need gold gen.

I also disagree that the Juggernaut effect doesn't scale: the Tenacity passive it gives is both rare and extremely valuable, and is arguably a stronger effect on tanks and bruisers than any other jungle item enchantment (including Devourer). It's Tenacity that made old SotAG so valuable in the first place, despite the latter's lack of jungle clear potential.

RenailleDec 14, 20141 votes

Ironically, the best way to make tank junglers viable again is to reduce the overall gold income available. Lack of gold is why we had the cc tank jungler meta.