Why is zed allowed to shadow away from garen if he is silenced?

MrSexyHobo·12/16/2015, 5:35:37 PM·36 votes·3,330 views

last night i played a game as garen mid vs zed and he was continuously shadowing away while silenced. If he shadowed before i silenced him then how did i hit him? If i silenced him before he shadowed then how did he use an ability to get away? You can't have one with the other.

You can also use your dash to get away from garen's ult undamaged which sometimes (but not always) puts the ult on cooldown. This literally only works with zed as far as i know. With other dashes like graves for example, you still get to proc your ult if the animation is near completion when they dash and if it i doesn't proc then it always refunds the cooldown.

Btw the game i played i went 11-5-16 and we won so this isn't a rage thread. This has got to be unintended since it is extremely inconsistent.

41 Comments

Beldair12/16/2015, 5:36:28 PM35 votes

Because ninjas are already silent XD

Catastrop12/16/2015, 6:54:42 PM11 votes

Cast Times. No amount of cc stops these, the effects will come in once whatever has finished casting but the spells still goes through. I had an Ekko rage at me at all game because he couldn't stop my Final Spark. Once I explained, he proceeded to call bullshit even though his E and R have the same function.

Handin Out Naps12/16/2015, 9:33:22 PM6 votes

The real question is why does Garen's q hit Zed when he shadowed away a half second earlier.

Critmaster Garen12/16/2015, 6:00:09 PM6 votes

its not just zed. i dont know if its just being a result of lag (even the smallest lag can create issues in split second moves), if its the game just generally being glitchy, or if its the cast animation.

i mean ive had enemies flash after being hit by a lux binding in the past. they were sitting in the binding after their flash finished. ive seen enemies using spells after being silenced or otherwise cced over the years.

stuff like this repeatedly happens in this game.

by the way, its best to try and hit zed right after he shadow stepped. run at him by positioning yourself between him and the shadow. he will usually try to juke you with it. immediately turn around and kill him after he switched places.

or engage on him in the 14 second window the thing is on cooldown. he has no escape from preventing you to chase him down.

HayRoss12/16/2015, 10:40:09 PM3 votes

See, if you're playing Garen mid, it's because you don't have enough crit chance. Build more of that

TehNACHO12/16/2015, 5:42:27 PM2 votes

Cast animations.

It also works on Yi. You can bind or stun or knock him up from far away, but if he timed his Alpha Strike correctly, he'll still travel all the way through despite being stunned.

ChaosThief12/17/2015, 8:16:06 PM2 votes

Because balance is weakness.

Akali is SO HOT12/17/2015, 7:35:19 AM2 votes

Zed is blinking away before you finish the auto attack to silence him but at a certain point auto attacks will land regardless of what happens so you silence him after he blinks away giving the effect of you silencing him but him still being able to shadow away

Daedalus87112/16/2015, 7:52:23 PM2 votes

Cast times.

Lux ult may look like a channel, but in reallity it's just a long ass cast time.

You can stun her, suppress her, silence her, do anything short of killing her and her ult will still go off.

Tik11512/16/2015, 9:43:13 PM1 votes

It's part of coding priority, its like how in fighters if two moves hit the same time one will always take "Priority" over another for one reason or another, another example is Ezreals E, if an Ezreal's E is hit the same time a Blitz Q hits then the blitz hooks effect takes priority, once the hooks effect is gone the shift goes through, the problem is after the cast time is done its a case of what gets priority, when Zed uses his W the second Garen Q hits due to some reason of coding the blink takes priority over the silence.

The Poetic Zed12/16/2015, 5:41:52 PM1 votes

As for the dashing away, you can hit him as he blinks. It's like when you hit someone right before they back. The damage will go through, but if you attacked too late, they'll complete the back, and take damage in the base. In the same way, a lot of champions with dash/blinks, can activate the ability right as they get hit with cc of some kind, and so they dash/blink anyways, but then are rooted in the spot where they dash too. Or in this case, silenced at that spot.

I can't speak for the ultimate, but I recall seeing information on it on a thread long ago. I think if they get far enough away from garen, the ultimate doesn't hit them. Not too sure on this one.

Llanite12/17/2015, 5:52:36 AM1 votes

Because he doesn't chant the spell obviously xD

Ace Access 12/17/2015, 7:22:24 AM1 votes

Zed true identity is Zabuza Momochi, the demon of the Hidden Mist, master of the silent killing technique, he kills his target without making a sound so he was silenced from the beginning of the match

revliledpembroke12/17/2015, 9:17:59 AM1 votes

I don't know. But what I do know is that I absolutely do not want Nox's AOE silence from Smite to appear in League in any form. That shit is pure video game cancer. Not even Kassasdin, Leblanc, or Talon's silences were as bad as Nox's current AOE monstrosity. Garen's is actually perfectly fine.

Darkwind12/17/2015, 2:52:30 PM1 votes

It's a combination of things at play here:

First, his shadow is not a dash. It's a blink. That's relevant for the ult bug you described, because he does not "slowly" go from in range to out of range- he is in range one instant, the next he's far out of range. The ult going on CD but not dealing damage is definitely a bug- him getting away undamaged (but the ult CD still being up) is most likely not.

Next, how auto attacks work. Once you start the wind-up for your auto attack as a melee champion, unless you cancel it with another command, the attack will go through. Even if they're suddenly dramatically out of range. This is to prevent fast ranged characters from continuously breaking a melee champion's auto animation by getting out of range, thereby preventing all damage. What this means is that if you Zed has a shadow out, and you press Q and then right click him, he can press W as your sword is on its way down and blink away, getting hit by the damage and the silence at his new location.

The final thing is not that relevant in Zed's case, because his W blink is really quite instant with little to no animation delay. However, if a champion starts an animation for a spell, unless that spell is a channel, it can't be interrupted by CC in most cases. So if he were already in this animation when your silence hit, the dash would go through. This is relevant for someone like Kassadin, who has quite a telegraphed animation on his blink.

warpenguin55512/17/2015, 4:44:47 PM1 votes

gotta be a bug. i think.

Spizzle900012/17/2015, 4:47:21 PM1 votes

Hmmm. I think I've seen similar things happen. I'm pretty sure it's because Zed's W dash doesn't function the same way as other dashes. There aren't any other abilities like this one in the game. Maybe that's why, but maybe it's a bug?

Also I think I've had the exact same thing happen against a Gnar, both the ult and the silence.

Dalanin12/17/2015, 6:31:57 PM1 votes

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last night i played a game as garen mid vs zed and he was continuously shadowing away while silenced. If he shadowed before i silenced him then how did i hit him? If i silenced him before he shadowed then how did he use an ability to get away? You can't have one with the other.

You can also use your dash to get away from garen's ult undamaged which sometimes (but not always) puts the ult on cooldown. This literally only works with zed as far as i know. With other dashes like graves for example, you still get to proc your ult if the animation is near completion when they dash and if it i doesn't proc then it always refunds the cooldown.

Btw the game i played i went 11-5-16 and we won so this isn't a rage thread. This has got to be unintended since it is extremely inconsistent.

W got a small Delay, that's why.

For the ult part, well Garen ult Can NOT be interrupted, unless the target went to the fog of war before the channel began

TotalJerk12/18/2015, 1:49:06 AM1 votes

It's not Zed, it's the silence. Their behavior can be wonky as shit.

Calabok12/16/2015, 6:22:39 PM1 votes

Maybe Zed uses hand signs like Naruto does...

Valor Bot12/18/2015, 2:08:29 AM1 votes

Was he using QSS to cleanse your Silence?

idontplaythemeta12/16/2015, 6:46:03 PM1 votes

As said from another on this thread once the animations start they can't stop til they are finnished (unless it's a channel of course) for the garen ulting a blinking zed. Any champions with blink have about a .07 time of untargetability. Except flash, thats truly instantaneous. Though it's really hard to do it's often just luck that it happens. I've only seen a friend that used to play zed with dodge a karthus ult twice getting lucking trying to do it.

Stars Shaper12/16/2015, 6:06:40 PM1 votes

For the same reason a stunned Lux can still get her ultimate to shoot.

Hambone201312/16/2015, 8:14:12 PM1 votes

Zed can switch with his shadows through cc. Including silences