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What are those random nerfs on the PBE? Leblanc Q Nerfs, Morgana W nerf, Neeko Nerfs, Kayle Nerfs?!?

taleofsonata··4 votes·1,218 views

What are those random nerfs? Neeko 0 compensation just like Viktor, completely getting dumpster nerfed. Morgana W nerf 0 justification finally a mid lane champion, Leblanc is a much bigger threat than the other mid laners? Leblanc Damage is not the problem, it never has been the problem, why are you always aiming at her damage. She is the combination of an ASSASSIN/Burst Mage. It's suppose to be the highest damage combination in the game. She is placed top 7 in the mid lane, winrate 49.94% Pickrate 11.84% Kayle attack speed nerfs? Cuz she hit lv 16 and everyone starts to surrender? While she suffer from horrible early game.

Meanwhile:

Zed: Winrate: 51.50% Pick Rate: 11.87% Mehehe double Q damage 80% damage. Riven: Winrate: 53.33% Pick rate: 13.10% Tanks? What are tanks? I got conqueror and SOS. Vayne: Winrate: 52.41% Pick rate: 22.79% Tanks? Squishies? They are all the same. Jax: Winrate: 51.64% Pick rate: 7.31% I'm a late game champion! Past lv 3, I already hit my powerspike. Gotta love that perma counterstrike with SOS.

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18 Comments

ChaosReyn2 votes

Let's be fair here:

LB has been pubstomping people pretty much no contest, as the only champions that can fight her are those with point and click abilities that chunk her to bits (my favorite is Pantheon)

Neeko is literally going ADC and still dealing more magic damage to champions than some of these mage mid laners because of the on-hit from her W.

Mogana's W was buffed on her rework, all they're really doing is taking it back because it made her waveclear and kill potential (but mainly her waveclear) too strong. (This is the only one on your list I feel wasn't really necessary.)

And Kayle's late game is literal autowin. She needs a bit of power put into her early game, and I hope they do that part instead of just gutting her to unplayability again.

I do agree though: Riven and Vayne need to be put on the list. Jax and Zed at least have counterplay.

taleofsonata2 votes

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Let's be fair here:

LB has been pubstomping people pretty much no contest, as the only champions that can fight her are those with point and click abilities that chunk her to bits (my favorite is Pantheon)

Neeko is literally going ADC and still dealing more magic damage to champions than some of these mage mid laners because of the on-hit from her W.

Mogana's W was buffed on her rework, all they're really doing is taking it back because it made her waveclear and kill potential (but mainly her waveclear) too strong. (This is the only one on your list I feel wasn't really necessary.)

And Kayle's late game is literal autowin. She needs a bit of power put into her early game, and I hope they do that part instead of just gutting her to unplayability again.

I do agree though: Riven and Vayne need to be put on the list. Jax and Zed at least have counterplay.

Ok let me stop you right there on Leblanc, Her core identity, is Lane stomping hence why we call her a Lane Bully. Outside of Lane stomping she is Mediocre at best. If I pick Leblanc compare to any other assassins, It's to lane stop and outplay the living shit of my opponent. The reason she is strong is because WAVE CLEAR FOR MAGES SUCKS, IT SUCKS SOO BAD, why do you think Morgana can deal with her now? Cuz she CAN WAVE CLEARS with 0 PROBLEM.

ChaosReyn2 votes

WaVeClEaR sUcKs FoR mAgEs!

Ahri Azir Brand Gragas Lissandra Malzahar Neeko Lux Morgana Velkoz (and more)

Waveclear sucks for assassins regardless of their damage base. Zed has to use full combo on the wave to clear effectively, LB uses her escape...yet you're going to put Zed in the limelight for dealing too much damage and being in need of a nerf, and defend LB's similarly apeshit Q ratio (a point and click, unlike Zed's, which means it's even MORE consistent) saying "it's ok, she can't clear."

I want mages back in the mid lane too, but if something's hitting too hard, something's hitting too hard.

taleofsonata1 votes

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WaVeClEaR sUcKs FoR mAgEs!

Ahri Azir Brand Gragas Lissandra Malzahar Neeko Lux Morgana Velkoz (and more)

Waveclear sucks for assassins regardless of their damage base. Zed has to use full combo on the wave to clear effectively, LB uses her escape...yet you're going to put Zed in the limelight for dealing too much damage and being in need of a nerf, and defend LB's similarly apeshit Q ratio (a point and click, unlike Zed's, which means it's even MORE consistent) saying "it's ok, she can't clear."

I want mages back in the mid lane too, but if something's hitting too hard, something's hitting too hard.

Waveclears does sucks for mages,

Ahri's needs to Q,W,Q for a full waveclears, Azir has to Q, AA, Q, AA, Q AA, Brand needs to QEW Melee waves, then W Caster. Gragas has to Q back waves, then E, Then AA, each melee once minions and Q again. Lissandra AA melee minions once , Q twice the waves. Malzahar just doing malzahar thing, Neeko, AA precisely 1st wave, then get 1 minion low for caster and melee then EQ. Lux E the back wave, then AA each of them, then Q the melee minions and AA 2 of them, and then AA the last melee minion then E again. Morgana, W the caster minions, then AA once each melee minions, then W again. Vel koz, W once E then back waves, then W again AA the melee minion and then Q.

Look at how complicated mage have to waste alot of ressource to push lanes perfectly. Meanwhile melee with their Tiamat, or Zed WEQ.

ChaosReyn2 votes

I take back what I implied...there's no way you play mages if you're wasting that much mana for simple waveclear.

I'm just gonna stop trying to make a point here, as obviously this was meant more as a rant than an actual conversation.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Yeah, Tiamat, an item that doesn't go into any assassin based item and doesn't grant lethality is "better". Being forced to get Tiamat early kills the shit out of your assassin power, resourceless or not. You dont see Aatrox building it because he's pigonholed into building cdr to just to function as a champ. Meanwhile, Mages can build Lost Chapter, sit on a Dark Seal with Corrupting, and clear waves for days with usually one spell long as they get a level up, then upgrade to Ludens and clear waves even faster. Oh, even forgot about Manaflow Band. AD assassins that want to contest that have to spam everything and suffer the downtime. Mages themselves may feel like shit, but their items sure as hell make up for it, which causes issues for other types of AP champs since most AP itemization is built and balanced around mages primarily. Its the reason why Sylas has so much shit in his kit.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Thing is, she's an AP mage with the ability of casting two of the same spell once she gets R. Her R W has basically her rank 3 W base damage, with a 75% AP ratio. If she just gets one kill, she can easily snowball by going to other lanes. Wave clear for mages don't suck, its just the one's who excel at it are completely worthless in this meta or have been nerfed to death (Vik).

And here's the thing, and you said this is your own post, she's a burst mage assassin. Even if they nerf her assassin aspect, she still has that mage aspect to fall on. Its the reason once she gets Lost Chapter, she basically wont have any issue clearing waves, same with any type of waveclear mage on top of gaining more power to possibly destroy someone with one combo. If i'm gonna be blunt, she gains double value from an item such as Ludens.

Get Ogre Here2 votes

Leblanc, Kayle, and Neeko are strong right now

taleofsonata2 votes

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Leblanc, Kayle, and Neeko are strong right now

They are strong, but NOT SUPER STRONG LIKE the champion I just showed.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Very much like the reason why Riven isn't getting nerfed YET. Strong, but not super strong. You gotta tackle shit like this from a global aspect. Jatt, the man everyone could count on for explaining stats, revealed how they determine as of now what constitutes as nerf territory for champions. I ain't speaking nonsense and you can see it for yourself. Riven's situation is testing the limits of their balance philosophy that's been a inconsistent shamble for years. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/b0giqp/how_powered_is_riven/

I called for Riven to be nerfed just like everyone else, but once I read that post, it made sense.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

Yet, aside from neeko, the rest are weaker than riot's little princess champs like vayne, riven, Yas, zed, etc

Ragnaveil2 votes

Dumpster nerfed? Neeko? She had to get hotfixed because her brand new build made her way less skill intensive and very oppressive as shit, not to mention it removed the "mage" aspect of her entire design. LB nerfs are simply ratio nerfs, Q already has decent base damage for a spell that grants any of her other spells extra damage if she lands them on the marked target (easiest one is Q W). I'm guessing the Morg nerfs were to prevent her from becoming Anivia 2.0 and perma shoving waves and making it extremely hard for any champ that cant wave clear better than that to contest it. They did change it so even though the numbers look low, the damage gets increased by up to 170% damage based on the target's missing health, and doing that to minions that are not baron ones isn't that hard with something like Liandrys + Ludens (Lost Chapter is already a power spike for that waveclear shoving).

SuicidePlank2 votes

Tobi played that fight wrong, so he died on a squishy carry against a Jax who has 4 Items, bad example.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Also, important note, Taric had ult up the entire fight and didn't use it. If anything, blame the guy who held a invulnerability ult vs a bursty fighter like Jax.

Done251 votes

Kayle is getting an attack speed pre-nerf for a bug fix on her E that makes it a true auto attack reset. So the animation speed will now scale with her attack speed.

Ragnaveil1 votes

I feel like another QoL thing pertaining to attacking shenanigans (if needed) would be when Q is casted, it stays in that spot until it launches so she's able to auto attack while being able to use the skill. Same thing with W. For a champ that is reliant on spells and autos, its a bit of unnecessary clunk (unless its on purpose) similar to what Aatrox has.

Fízz v21 votes

All of those need it tho except maybe kayle idk about her

6 Years Unranked1 votes

Just finished a game of URF against that cancer and I gotta say I'm glad LB is getting nerfed

Literal ass cancer

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