Can we nerf ALL enchanters please?

Ben Sharpio·Oct 31, 2017·7 votes·691 views

people are still playing them non stop in ranked games. Can we just kill them off for fucks sake

22 Comments

hhaavviikkOct 31, 20175 votes

oh you mean just like how we have seen ADC's every single game for the past 8 years?

Unreformed ShacoOct 31, 20173 votes

I've said it the whole time, Ardent wasn't the problem, it only amplified the problem.

Heal and Shield power is the problem.

Their skills already scale with AP, giving them an additional scaling is stupid.

Combined with the gutting of assassins, of course ADCs are going to go crazy.

SuperLuigiLXIVOct 31, 20171 votes

This.

League is never more boring than it is during ADC metas, and this particular one is worse than usual because all the shielding and healing just makes it feel like it's not worth trying.

If they want to maintain healing and shielding power, they need to take away healing and shield scaling on actual stats. But they won't do that. -_-

Unreformed ShacoNov 1, 20171 votes

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This.

League is never more boring than it is during ADC metas, and this particular one is worse than usual because all the shielding and healing just makes it feel like it's not worth trying.

If they want to maintain healing and shielding power, they need to take away healing and shield scaling on actual stats. But they won't do that. -_-

It's because they scale together.

I think Lulu shield (as an example) is 210 + 0.6AP. Windspeakers + Ardent is 20%HSP and 80AP. That singular item boosts it to 310, giving it the equiv of 150% its base.

SuperLuigiLXIVNov 1, 20171 votes

Yyyyyyep.

Well, that, and the raw gold efficiency of the item. I'm pretty sure even if you removed the actual buff it's STILL gold efficient, and then when you consider the buff stats, the value shoots way through the roof, and that's just with your ADC. The item's strong enough that if I'm playing a top laner with heavy CC (Sion or Gragas usually) and our team is heavy on autoattackers with a non-Ardent support, I'll take Stoneborne Pact and buy Ardent myself.

And I'll hate myself for doing it, but when it's the best option available...

MetleonOct 31, 20173 votes

Yeah now that I look at win rates, the top 4 supports that are played a decent amount are all enchanters. Ardent censer isn't even a bad item after the nerfs. It's good efficient without the passive and can get to 163% gold efficient at lv 18 even if you just shield your ADC (I didn't count the buffs to the caster because they don't matter much most of the time).

Pika310Nov 1, 20171 votes

I just want to point out that I called this. So long as Censor buffs heals/shields, it will ALWAYS be a good item. Everything else on it is completely secondary, hence why it NEVER saw play until after the shield-buffing was placed on it.

SukishooOct 31, 20173 votes

Since they killed off Ardent I've seen so many NON-enchanters myself.

MetleonOct 31, 20172 votes

Healing in general can be extremely unbalanced. If you can heal 1% of your health every second but the opponent can deal 10%, you'll only survive 11 seconds instead of 10. If you can heal for 5% every second, you'll survive for 20. If you can heal for 9%, you'll survive for 100 seconds. If you can heal any more, you'll never die. Also, the longer you could survive normally, the more healing gets done and you get an even bigger advantage from healing in general.

I haven't actually seen as many enchanters this patch as before. Except for yesterday where pretty much every game had a Soraka because she's the easiest champ to complete the heal mission.

Ben SharpioOct 31, 20172 votes

i basically played all day today and nearly every game had an enchanter in it (high plat). WTF?

Ben SharpioOct 31, 20172 votes

janna/lulu/soraka/nami btw

AgeOfTheMageOct 31, 20172 votes

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janna/lulu/soraka/nami btw

alrighty, I mean, raka is eh, her heals cost her own health, nami is pretty fine, I dislike janna and lulu though.

SamBunzlyOct 31, 20172 votes

People said the same thing when the tank meta was around. Enchanters are annoying just as tanks are. The only difference is that enchanters render squishies hard to kill while tanks are full of cc and hard to kill.

alrighty, I mean, raka is eh, her heals cost her own health, nami is pretty fine, I dislike janna and lulu though.

Nami is an enchanter with great poke and some hard cc. Pair her with a Kog and early game tends to dominate.
Raka's need to build tankier and grab a warmogs and suddenly they're unstoppable.

The issue isn't the meta, the issue is the players. It's quite easy to learn how to counter specific champions. That's how metas shift isnt it? Playing against raka, focus raka and not the adc. Playing vs Nami? Lucian beats her bubble^ You just have to adapt and grow past it.

Ben SharpioOct 31, 20171 votes

Nerf windspeakers blessing at least. Btw you have no business locking in lucian if youre not playing him mid

Leah KakuniOct 31, 20172 votes

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Nerf windspeakers blessing at least. Btw you have no business locking in lucian if youre not playing him mid

Windspeakers will be gone next week, no need needed.

ApocalypsicOct 31, 20171 votes

They have a replacement for it, that does basically the same thing.

WinterwingsNov 1, 20171 votes

Which is in the Resolve tree... meaning your second choice will probably be "Font of Life" since thats the only other good choice from there... I myself like to run my enchanters with Sorcery + Inspiration setup on PBE, meaning i don't take it... But the new runes have a bunch of other juicy options to choose from (The Ultimate Hat, Future's Market, Transcendence etc.)

MetleonOct 31, 20171 votes

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Windspeakers will be gone next week, no need needed.

Although, it's getting replaced by Revitalize. It's only 5% normally but jumps to 15% if the target is below 40%. It won't give any armor or mr, but it seems better overall.

FeederCricketOct 31, 20172 votes

Yes.

But since there are so many people using them to climb to ranks they've never even heard of before, there's going to be a mass of QQ incoming if they get hit.

Athenes LuluNov 1, 20172 votes

Can we nerf ALL assassins please?

people are still playing them non stop in ranked games. Can we just kill them off for fucks sake

ApocalypsicOct 31, 20171 votes

Just like me, if you post about how enchanters are too strong you get instantly downvoted. People just love denying that their E-Girl supports are poorly balanced and toxic in a pvp environment.

Tentacle AdvisorOct 31, 20171 votes

Is it fair for me to mention that my ADC and I (the Support) usually win trades against Enchanters whenever I decide to buy item 3123 . I don't ever finish the item, but the free grievous wounds on auto-attack really help. I did it in a game, last night where I was Bard with a Jinx ADC against a Lulu with a Kalista ADC. Lulu rushed Ardent, I did not. We still won most trades, though, since I cut some of Kalista healing just by attacking her once. Even with her infinitely stacking (E) Rend, we managed to win trades, and score plenty of kills, as well.