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The jungle has never been so imbalanced

BluePolarizer·1/28/2017, 12:43:40 AM·62 votes·2,753 views

lol for all this talk of "junglers have too much influence" and "we need to tone the influence of junglers down" what instead happened was that the already top tier junglers became even more dominant and from this became even more influential on the lanes.

Now Hecarim is trashed, but the rest of the top tier jungle roster hasn't changed. It's still Ivern, Kha'Zix, Rengar, Vi and Lee Sin. All that happened was Hecarim was removed from the top tier list, along with half the jungle roster from viability.

There are 8 junglers right now with over 53% win rate, and a whopping 12 below a 46% win rate. There are only 37 junglers. This means that about 1/3 of the pool is garbage and about 1/4 is completely OP. This is unprecedented; in the past, the worst champions at a role were 46% win rate, now it's common. The MEDIAN win rate of jungle champions isn't even 50% the way it is for every other lane, it is 49%. This means that there is a small group of extremely OP champions that dominate everything else.

Remember: even some trolls don't have 45% win rates! Even many trolls maintain 47-48% win rates. When I was on tilt, I still maintained a 40% win rate. That means playing 1/3 of the jungler pool means you are trolling your team!

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

The highest win rate in the game (Ivern, 58%) and lowest win rate in the game (Fiddlesticks, 33%) are both junglers.

The jungle has never been so imbalanced. Ever. There was no time previous to this patch where ANY champion, much less a jungler, had a 30% win rate, nor has there ever been a time where ANY champion, much less a jungler, broke 56% win rate except 4.20 which was fixed within a patch.

56 Comments

ŚtrongMental1/28/2017, 12:50:14 AM14 votes

@Red Many people are sharing their opinions on whats going on in the jungle, when are you going to fix the mess you created in the jungle? Eventually it'll come to 2/1/2 if you keep the current rate of things up

ModCaptainMårvelous1/28/2017, 4:52:14 AM4 votes

The jungle has never been so imbalanced. Ever. There was no time previous to this patch where ANY champion, much less a jungler, had a 30% win rate, nor has there ever been a time where ANY champion, much less a jungler, broke 56% win rate except 4.20 which was fixed within a patch.

Skarner. 60%+ win rate in the jungle.

There are also times where the jungle has been much less balanced such as the reign of Nidalee/Gragas or the holy trinity of (ironically) Vi/J4/Lee (Guest starring Kha'zix)

It's also funny how you make a point that "Vi Lee Sin Khazix Rengar ivern!" are ruining the jungle when only two of them (Rengar and Ivern) are at the top. Meanwhile Camille, Wukong, Shaco and Rumble all have win rates higher than them. Hell, Lee Sin has a 50% win rate. 50/50.

More stats. Out of 37 champions:

8 have a 53%+ win rate. (With Xin skirting 0.08% from 53/52) 17 champs between 52-48 (Again, Vi skirts 52% by 0.09%) And 11 champs sub 48%. One of them being a reworked champion whose numbers can't be trusted because of an inflated playerbase.

Does the jungle need tweaks? Yeah, sure. Is it THE WORST JUNGLE EVER!? No. Not at all.

EDIT: As an extra bonus, looking at "past 7 days" (AKA since the last patch), let's see who is dominating the charts!

In plat: https://puu.sh/tDrJK/e1ec1e04bd.png

Diamond https://puu.sh/tDrLg/ba50f356f3.png

And master. (Not counting challenger because there are so few players that Leona has a 100% win rate. You could make the same argument for masters but I figured this wouldn't be funny) https://puu.sh/tDrO6/bdcb9daff1.png

Would you look at that. Ivern is the only consistantly good jungler. Meanwhile other junglers usually skulk around. So in essence, your statistics are misleading for the highest echelon of pro play and take into account the previous patch, NOT the patch that we're currently playing on.

Sit in the alternate facts corner and think about what you've done.

BoilTheOil1/28/2017, 9:35:38 AM3 votes

wat skarner had a 66% winrate or something like that in his juggernaut update

ShadowParker1/28/2017, 3:27:43 AM3 votes

Don't say "The jungle has NEVER been this imablanced" Because it has. Never is a strong word, say something along the lines of "This is in a poor state right now" or something along those lines.

Twitch Chat1/28/2017, 9:38:11 AM2 votes

Now Hecarim is trashed

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Jaygo411/28/2017, 1:15:40 AM2 votes

Now I wouldn't say it's in its most imbalanced state, but i'll say that the discrepancy between the good junglers and the bad junglers is EXTREMELY high.

There's a difference here, because at the very least there's a champion you can point to that fills each subclass... The problem is, carries are a bit overrepresented (tanky carries, assassin carries)

I'd like to see some more tanks in jungle if possible... make a tanky jungle clear item, like quill coat

LankPants1/28/2017, 3:05:42 AM2 votes

The thing that scares me the most is that the jungle champ average jumped from 1.54 a number it's sat around for a very long time to 2.02. This means fewer junglers are being played overall.

MXXXXXL1/28/2017, 4:03:03 PM2 votes

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except 4.20 which was fixed within a patch.

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idontgiveabother1/28/2017, 5:03:22 AM1 votes

Season 6 felt really good for the jungle. I mean it was only my first season but compared to now that felt like the most balanced thing at the time. Change is good... but too much might be a bad thing.

DunkinNoobs1/28/2017, 12:16:51 PM1 votes

The jungler has never been more imbalanced? Have we forgotten Feral Flare already?

CasterGilgamesh1/28/2017, 3:04:53 PM1 votes

in what world will Hecarim be bad i remember a time when hec wasn't played MUCH but hes always been ok or Decent to pick

kasfas1/28/2017, 3:57:41 PM1 votes

End of s4/ early s5. Only viable junglers were vi, jarvan, and rek'sai.

TheBestSpaghetti1/28/2017, 11:55:05 PM1 votes

1/3 are garbage and 1/4 are op? man check your maths before saying this more like 3/4 are garbage and 1/4 is op

Ðroxx1/28/2017, 6:35:04 PM1 votes

I am still on the bandwagon that Ivern shouldnt be a thing. The champ just creeps me out. I'll put it this way, If I had the option to sleep while Jhin or Ivern is in the room, I would pick Jhin.

GULAG 4 U1/28/2017, 6:43:01 PM1 votes

Well at least kha'zix is recieving a nerf.

Snowplosion1/28/2017, 8:00:03 PM1 votes

The jungle has been worse than this. Somebody doesn't remember Feral Flare and Mad Stone.

LupusAkira1/28/2017, 8:15:43 AM1 votes

Warwick 420.....ahhh weedwick