I feel that moving Phantom-Hit to Rageblade will break the game worse than on-release.

DiveAlive·Apr 23, 2016·6 votes·736 views

Devour was mainly good for the passive, the attack speed and on hit magic dmg was nice but really not a big factor.

now it's going on an item with raw+stacking AD and AP and will not require farming 30 stacks from jg/champion takedowns.

I understand it will need 6 on-attack stacks to activate but that's honestly a joke to the majority of champs that benefit from Phantom-Hit( etc..)

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LankPantsApr 23, 20163 votes

I'm more worried about Kog, Vayne and Kindred. The item always takes 6 hits to charge so the biggest abusers will probably be ranged champs.

Valhalla RisingApr 23, 20161 votes

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I'm more worried about Kog, Vayne and Kindred. The item always takes 6 hits to charge so the biggest abusers will probably be ranged champs.

true dat

Captain AishiApr 23, 20161 votes

vayne dealing 6% max HP true damage on each autoattack after buying a 3600g item.. nothing can go wrong here!

TeklmApr 23, 20162 votes

Possible solution for abuse cases could be changing it to every third attack, not hit. To be honest though, I'm not expecting Vayne to want to sink that much gold into Rageblade, at least not early on.

ProfDrDeathApr 23, 20162 votes

Actually, the on-hit damage from Sated Devourer was kind-of a big factor in the item. 60 on-hit damage is nothing that should be overlooked, especially with Phantom Hit effectively giving 50% more to that.

Phantom Hit on Guinsoo's is a lot less obnoxious/dangerous, for a variety of reasons:

It is gated behind a 3600 gold cost and a somewhat crappy build path
It is also gated with the fact that it has AP - and a lot of it, too. and do not have ANY AP scaling, meaning that the completed item is 1600 gold without stacks for them, which is 44.4% gold efficiency.
The third gating effect is the fact that you need to attack 6 times before you get the Phantom Hit effect.
And fourth, you need a kit-intrinsic or another item-centered on-hit effect to make the most out of Rageblade - the 15 basic on-hit damage of Rageblade will not really cut it in that department.

Playing with it on the PBE, it actually feels rather weak on melee champions, due to the loss of the permanent 25% AS on completion. I seriously expect them to add that to the basic item again at some point, moving power away from the stacking (25% base AS, 4%/stack for 49% total instead of 8/stack for 28% total).

Although I am also fairly certain that they will add the range/melee distinction back at some point - otherwise, KogMaw & Kayle will probably break the item.

Pierce The VealApr 23, 20161 votes

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Actually, the on-hit damage from Sated Devourer was kind-of a big factor in the item. 60 on-hit damage is nothing that should be overlooked, especially with Phantom Hit effectively giving 50% more to that.

Phantom Hit on Guinsoo's is a lot less obnoxious/dangerous, for a variety of reasons:

It is gated behind a 3600 gold cost and a somewhat crappy build path

It is also gated with the fact that it has AP - and a lot of it, too. and do not have ANY AP scaling, meaning that the completed item is 1600 gold without stacks for them, which is 44.4% gold efficiency.

The third gating effect is the fact that you need to attack 6 times before you get the Phantom Hit effect.

And fourth, you need a kit-intrinsic or another item-centered on-hit effect to make the most out of Rageblade - the 15 basic on-hit damage of Rageblade will not really cut it in that department.

Playing with it on the PBE, it actually feels rather weak on melee champions, due to the loss of the permanent 25% AS on completion. I seriously expect them to add that to the basic item again at some point, moving power away from the stacking (25% base AS, 4%/stack for 49% total instead of 8/stack for 28% total).

Although I am also fairly certain that they will add the range/melee distinction back at some point - otherwise, & will probably break the item.