I think Fizz's W could use a complete rework

Miraweave··1 votes·656 views

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When Fizz builds as an AP assassin, his W serves only to increase the base damage of his Q with no actual gameplay involved, and this is on a champion who's assassination pattern already has significant counterplay issues.

When he builds as an AD bruiser, his W makes it incredibly difficult to itemize against him because of the hybrid damage, as well as making it incredibly difficult to actually duel him because of the missing health damage.

Why don't we just rework his W into an ability that actually has some gameplay. Maybe a line stab skillshot that leaves the current Q dot on people it hits. Some of the damage from his E could potentially be moved into it, which would make him a lot less aggravating for many players because his untargetable dash wouldn't be as big of a nuke. The whole thing could actually be done as a buff to AP fizz because he'd have more reasonable counterplay now so buffing him would make more sense, and bruiser fizz would probably end up dead, which is a good thing.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Downvotes with no explanations? If you think it's a bad idea why not say why?

12 Comments

Mimy1 votes

I'd rework his troll pole.... they reworked fiora to not be invincible anymore with her ult.. why should fizz be with his E... ?

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

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I'd rework his troll pole.... they reworked fiora to not be invincible anymore with her ult.. why should fizz be with his E... ?

Because without it he would just get nuked immediately. Assassins need a way to survive going in Otherwise you are just playing a glass cannon melee in most cases.

Fiora was also killing you and healing while untargetable. Fizz doesnt deal his damage until he becomes targettable again.

Miraweave1 votes

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Because without it he would just get nuked immediately. Assassins need a way to survive going in Otherwise you are just playing a glass cannon melee in most cases.

This. His E is actually mostly fine, though I think it's cooldown is a bit too low at later ranks when you consider the fact that he often gets CDR. Annoying, but fine.

His W is the reason bruiser fizz is so painful to play against, and also part of the reason that AP fizz can basically one-shot you with just his Q.

Mimy1 votes

uh huh... yea.. next time you play against a fizz and he tower dives you, kills you, and troll poles away with half health...

I understand he needs suitability.. but in no way should he be able to do that...

Miraweave2 votes

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uh huh... yea.. next time you play against a fizz and he tower dives you, kills you, and troll poles away with half health...

I understand he needs suitability.. but in no way should he be able to do that...

He can't do that unless you're already pretty low. Like, low enough that he can burst you dead without even using the damage from his E.

Your fault you stayed in lane.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

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uh huh... yea.. next time you play against a fizz and he tower dives you, kills you, and troll poles away with half health...

I understand he needs suitability.. but in no way should he be able to do that...

Still didnt kill me with the E though damage though. Most fizz players max e so if i died to QW ult then i was already too low.

Aaravos1 votes

Yes he does, because he don't have targeted instant blinks or resets. He has much more survaibility and cc immunity than the other assasins, but getting properly into the back line and land your damage is harder.

Godaren1 votes

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I'd rework his troll pole.... they reworked fiora to not be invincible anymore with her ult.. why should fizz be with his E... ?

and why does it slow? dumb overloaded ability

Lanakila Au1 votes

When I play fizz my main damage comes from W. You can't just qw and kill people, what separates a good fizz is sneaking in AAs. It is good the way it is because you are vulnerable while you're AAing, you gotta know how many you can hit before they'll throw their cc at you.

Godaren1 votes

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When I play fizz my main damage comes from W. You can't just qw and kill people, what separates a good fizz is sneaking in AAs. It is good the way it is because you are vulnerable while you're AAing, you gotta know how many you can hit before they'll throw their cc at you.

If your building ap you can and i think you mean q e

Lanakila Au1 votes

Not really anymore, before his rework you could just qw and people would be melted. It's not like that anymore unless you are really fed and the enemy is squishy with no MR. Especially in lane AA with your W is a huge chunk of Fizz's damage, its the only way to get that lvl 3 all in cheese kill. I save my e for dodging their cc and using it as a finisher, though most people know to flash it.

Godaren1 votes

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Not really anymore, before his rework you could just qw and people would be melted. It's not like that anymore unless you are really fed and the enemy is squishy with no MR. Especially in lane AA with your W is a huge chunk of Fizz's damage, its the only way to get that lvl 3 all in cheese kill. I save my e for dodging their cc and using it as a finisher, though most people know to flash it.

yeah i just really hate his e abilities like that are never balanced and when he gets slightly fed counterplay goes out the window it's pretty easy to miss your ult and q e people when you get some kills

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