so tell me amigos, what exactly is a zed sopposed to do when hes forced to lane vs an ap who rushed zhonyas, yes its smart on you but tf can a zed do after? the adc would then get mercurial and zed becomes useless, hes left ulting the tank or supp.
Naelarstrasz4 votesWelcome to Riot balancing. lol. Enjoy your stay.
BlackRaven2 votesWelcome to Riot balancing. lol. Enjoy your stay.
welcome to the league of ap and adcs, everyone else is advised to suck a dick and enjoy it.
360D3GR3SS4 votesZed can gank other lanes if his lane opponent builds Zhonyas. That is one of Zeds weaknesses. You want to remove Mercurial too? You act as if his ultimate is his ONLY SOURCE of assassination. Your auto attacks do quite a bit of damage too. A majority of them time Zed's ultimate is just to gap close or dodge something important.
The Pros of Zed FAR outweigh the Cons to justify a Zhonyas removal/nerf. Also Zhonyas has a terrible build path (Needlessly Large Rod), Same goes with Mercurial Scimitar (B.F. Sword).
BlackRaven1 votesZed can gank other lanes if his lane opponent builds Zhonyas. That is one of Zeds weaknesses. You want to remove Mercurial too? You act as if his ultimate is his ONLY SOURCE of assassination. Your auto attacks do quite a bit of damage too. A majority of them time Zed's ultimate is just to gap close or dodge something important.
The Pros of Zed FAR outweigh the Cons to justify a Zhonyas removal/nerf. Also Zhonyas has a terrible build path (Needlessly Large Rod), Same goes with Mercurial Scimitar (B.F. Sword).
his aa? fuck kind of player is going to let zed walk up and auto attack them. no. u act like im playing vs bots, these are diamond players with brains. they have gap closers and cc to make sure i wont make it next to them. my only gap closer is my ulti which then becomes useless when they get an item.
360D3GR3SS2 votesSo there is no point in arguing with you because you will just negate any valid arguments. Try watching Bjergsen and tell him Zed is as weak.
Mikal Pikal1 votesYour only gap closer is your ulti eh? We are talking about Zed right?
Grand Eleven2 voteszed can have some patience and not try to spam abilities once the ap is encased in gold....
BlackRaven1 voteszed can have some patience and not try to spam abilities once the ap is encased in gold....
the ap can press zhonyas the second zed ults and tries to use skills, so basically his ult becomes useless. are u high? any smart ap waits till zed ults to press zhonyas.
Grand Eleven2 votesSo Zed is just a walking Ult? Cool Story bro.
BlackRaven2 votesSo Zed is just a walking Ult? Cool Story bro.
late game yes, in a teamfight, he wont have the time to just poke, if he uses his shadow and cds, he wont be able to teamfight at all depending on if he even landed his skill shots. during a 60 min game, yes he is a walking ulti, if you dont believe that, you dont even play zed then.
DarthSpectrum2 votesPress R again, go back and cry.
Frankly, Zhonyas needs a duration nerf and a CD buff along with a decrease of its base stats. The item is too good for defense when every AP champions and their mothers are building it.
Sightless662 votesIf an enemy rushes Zhonya's, push out, roam, and kill someone else. The enemy ADC won't have QSS for a long time unless he wants to tank his DPS, and if he does get it early then you can just murder him with your basic skills because you can easily outfight someone who has 1550 gold in magic resistance early in the game. You're not out of options just because there is a Zhonya's in the game.
BlackRaven1 votesIf an enemy rushes Zhonya's, push out, roam, and kill someone else. The enemy ADC won't have QSS for a long time unless he wants to tank his DPS, and if he does get it early then you can just murder him with your basic skills because you can easily outfight someone who has 1550 gold in magic resistance early in the game. You're not out of options just because there is a Zhonya's in the game.
notice that u said the word adc, without my ulti zed wont be able to catch up to someone like vayne who is easily dashing around him. she can jsut bork him after he borks her and just toy with him because his skill shots are incredibly hard to hit when shes in her ulti.
Sightless662 votesYou can still use your ult to catch up to someone just fine even if they have a QSS. Or, you can go in after she uses either her E or bork. Or, you can get a bit of CC onto her from a teammate. Or, maybe he's fighting someone like Miss Fortune or Jinx who isn't slippery at all. Or, maybe they aren't absolutely perfect and they make a mechanical mistake. Or, etc, etc, etc......
Zed is not so perfectly countered by everything. There are always options.
BlackRaven1 votesYou can still use your ult to catch up to someone just fine even if they have a QSS. Or, you can go in after she uses either her E or bork. Or, you can get a bit of CC onto her from a teammate. Or, maybe he's fighting someone like Miss Fortune or Jinx who isn't slippery at all. Or, maybe they aren't absolutely perfect and they make a mechanical mistake. Or, etc, etc, etc......
Zed is not so perfectly countered by everything. There are always options.
but why is he given so few. why is nearly every melee given so few options when other roles have the entire game trembling on their feet depending onthem for the win. why do melees get the short straw out of everything. why cant melee get an item like zhonyas with amazing stats and a stupidly low cost. those idiots that bring up hydra thinking it compares to zzhonyas just make me cry.
Sightless662 votesZed has plenty of options. He's not being forced out of the game. He's doing fine. He has the potential to instantly delete anyone who doesn't itemize against him (and still severely threaten anyone who does) and then escape back to total safety. There aren't any AD carries who can do that. They get other options.
Zhonya's is one of the strongest items in the game. Big deal. It's not making any one class dominant over another, and it fills a defensive option for a class that is very often limited on mobility. This is comparable to ghostblade and bork giving great chasing and dueling potential to AD assassins.
Zed is more than capable of having the entire game "tremble at his feet depending on him for the win". He can completely take over games. Do not try to tell me he's lacking right now. That holds no water with me.
majulito1 voteszed can use his one to one aa scaling that is increased by his w passive in addition to his passive that does increased damage to targets below a certain health in addition to his safe harrass to poke at enemies for the low cost of some energy that will regen by the time his moves are off cd.
7ha7guy7771 votesshort of baiting the zhonya's active i don't see much you could do. i rarely build zhonya's for the simple reason that i forget to use the active 95% of the time. the last time i built hourglass, i could have prevented at least 2 deaths if i had remembered the active. i honestly built it for the 50 armor to mitigate a decent portion of his non-magic damage.
Stars Shaper1 votesThe same thing a Mordekaiser does if the enemy ever rushes any ress thing, zhonya, QSS, etc.
Get over with it, try other lanes, lure it.
BlackRaven1 votesThe same thing a Mordekaiser does if the enemy ever rushes any ress thing, zhonya, QSS, etc.
Get over with it, try other lanes, lure it.
"get over it" yup, there is a reason morde is shit. zed isnt tho, he has potential. just because u have 1 item doesnt mean the entire game should be played diffrently now. fuck zhonyas ffs. there is nothing balanced aboutt htat item and every damn time an ap buys it i want to cut myself. that shit is beyond broken and riot keeps suckin ap dick for a living while choking on adcs cocks at the same time. give some melee love ffs. fuck these tools thinking they are hot shit for being abe to out play a zed by pressing 1 item and 3 shotting him while he can barely catch up.
Stars Shaper1 votesMorde is underperforming because:
As Zed you have plenty of targets to chose from, also I don't think you need the full combo to kill squishies and if you do.. well you fall under the 90% of Zed fanboys playerbase who can't even farm properly against AP Mages because you need to wait lvl 6 to even do something.
Drunk Rummate1 votesif you need the damage from your ultimate to kill a squishy carry with zed, you shouldn't play zed. by the time people have zhonyas his ultimate is more of a chase/escape and skillshot dodge tool for assassinating them than anything else.
BlackRaven1 votesif you need the damage from your ultimate to kill a squishy carry with zed, you shouldn't play zed. by the time people have zhonyas his ultimate is more of a chase/escape and skillshot dodge tool for assassinating them than anything else.
u realise his energy usage isnt that good right? his w q e combo is nearly 3/4 his energy. after that u want the enemy team to keep waiting to get poked down? anyone vs a zed means they engage after he uses his energy, which means during the teamfight, hes going to have to waste his ulti to escape/
BlackRaven1 votesbjergson mostly wins lanes because he knows how to farm and he is duo queueing with his jg, yes hes a great zed but up in challenger and master their teamwork is immense. come back to diamond and below and we barely speak, the jg would just flash in for a gank and you wouldnt even know.
BlackRaven1 votesalso dont forget he has amazing mechanics. im not a challenger player, i dont have 50 ping, i have 120 ping and im diamond. dont expect to much of me. but dont expect me to be happy with being "outplayed" by someone flaunting zhonyas knowing that zzed can never kill them.
BlackRaven1 votesif he uses his shadow hes beyond vunerable. get ur tank to jump on him and there goes the mid laner. meanwhile leblanc..
BlackRaven1 votesu didnt provide any details that helps this argument. wheres the counterplay then? every ap can build zhonyas. every. how can i make u tremble when ur adc and mid are invincible to my ulti?
MrSlowDie1 voteszhonya is OP because zed can't do anything against it, very nice logic