Remember when morgana was considered a mid laner

Dracocrash··20 votes·4,033 views

I'm not saying shes a bad mid laner or anything ; but now most people identify her as support.

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Wînter Fox9 votes

R.I.P. mid lane...Brand Annie Malzahar Morgana Velkoz Zilean Ziggs Zyra

Dracocrash1 votes

never forgetti

Eedat4 votes

Lol every single one of those besides maybe Zyra can still be played mid no problem

Zilean Annie have 53% winrate in mid lane

Ziggs Velkoz have 52%

Malzahar has 51%

Morgana has 50%

Brand has 49%

TotalJerk2 votes

Every single one of those champions except maybe Zyra is still viable in the mid lane. Annie is actually a garbage support and a much better mid laner right now.

Krinu5 votes

It's due to a few things.

  1. Morg doubly struggles against mobile champs. One, they naturally will spend less time in her W, and two, they can dodge her Q more readily. Mid lane has a lot of mobile mages and artillery, which Morgana has difficulty against. She won't LOSE, true, but she won't win, either - and she's not a late game powerhouse.

  2. In bot lane, her AP doesn't scale her utility. Most bot laners don't do enough magic damage to break her shield, which means she gets all the deliciousness of a 3 second root combined with a CC immunity without needing to throw AP at it. She can build full support if she wants.

  3. Even as a "safe mage," she was too safe, so they nerfed her W's damage in order to cut down on her ability to run up, W, and hide behind turret while still getting full CS.

She's not a bad mid, she's just... not good. If you remotely know what you're doing you won't feed with her, but you also won't carry a team - which makes her less popular these days.

Automated Riven2 votes

i disagree with your last point. she can carry teamfights due to flash ult zhonyas. and her shield as ap mage is fucking huge.

Krinu2 votes

In order to get her ult off, though, you typically need the enemy team to be really out of position, or you need to have some other form of CC to trap them there. In that regard, yeah, she can wombo-combo well, but so can a whole bunch of mages that bring more to the table.

Honestly, she's more useful peeling or trying to get picks with her Q than setting up for an ult. The ult is nice, sure, but it's not usually what swings matches. Catching the enemy ADC out with a Q or rendering a diver totally irrelevant happens far more frequently.

Sad Tyrant2 votes

her AP does scale her utility, a little, her E has an AP Ratio (Annie and Zyra, for example can break her shield easily)

Poske1 votes

and whats the difference between bad mid and not good

It Hertz When IP3 votes

Not Good: You won't dominate lane or carry, but you also don't feed and you (to some extent) force your opponent to stay in lane. Leave Morg alone in lane and she'll shove an entire wave to your tower pretty damn fast.

Bad: You feed your lane opponent, and/or leave them free to roam to other lanes.

TotalJerk2 votes

{quoted}

  1. Even as a "safe mage," she was too safe, so they nerfed her W's damage in order to cut down on her ability to run up, W, and hide behind turret while still getting full CS.

She can still kinda do that, tho.

Skins Project5 votes

Remember when blitzcrank was a top laner?

Me neither

Ben SwoIo4 votes

I still use her mid. Probably throws people off since they don't see her mid much. She has good wave clear, damage and team fight potential. Plus I like to have her shield for not only myself, but my team. So I kind of act like a secondary support and it helps a whole lot. Of course, that depends on the team comp.

A Basic Island2 votes

Ah, the days of don't gank the mid morgana

good times, good times

i dont miss it

SociopathFriend3 votes

It's because her main combo is kinda hard to pull off fully in midlane. Q+W then chain your ult to stun them again after Q wears off to make sure they keep standing in W. Or you Ult to root, W, then Q once your Ult wears off.

Her kit requires her to chain her own cc, which is fairly hard to do. That's why her E allows her to ignore CC- to get in range for the ult.

She was a fantastic counterpick to Fizz back when he terrorized mid lane. I made that fish cry. He throws his ult? Throw up the shield. He jumps towards you? Use your ult and watch him frantically E to try and escape. Once he's used his E and it caught by your ult- Q him. Being untargetable doesn't stop your W damage. And you can outpush him as well.

Lord Galvatron3 votes

Anyone remember river Shen?

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

RIP river Shen. RIP Q

Lord Galvatron2 votes

Rest in spaghetti never forgetti.

Tribbles Foxfolk2 votes

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I'm not saying shes a bad mid laner or anything ; but now most people identify her as support.

Her W got nerfed quite a bit for being extremely potent at clearing waves, and thus forcing tons of pressure on her opponent without them being able to do much. She also carried a ton of CC and survivability, which basically made her a never-bad choice for mid.

Now, because of her solid DPS and AFK-inducing snare, she's played as a support more.

Sad Tyrant2 votes

however she is still potent at clearing waves, her W (Rank 3) can still kill the back wave in one go

Tribbles Foxfolk2 votes

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however she is still potent at clearing waves, her W (Rank 3) can still kill the back wave in one go

No argument there, it's still potent, but it's definitely not like it used to be. I remember when I used to play TT with a 3-man team, Morg W-max was meta af. Teamfight damage was ungodly and they couldn't push for shit. Was great!

Muzét2 votes

Riot shifts her power mainly around the support. She's still viable-ish midlane but her kit is pretty much outdated as a midlaner (just like her sibling) We can still wait her dual rework with Kayle to see her midlane, still waiting for that Hex Witch idea that they had for Taliyah.

Poske2 votes

Are you scared to say she is a bad midlaner?

Because she is absolute trash tier in a midlane

Dracocrash2 votes

I might trigger some people if i say that

Poske1 votes

so? Truth is truth

FakeGravity2 votes

well look at her, her W is hilariously easy to move out, her R dosent slow enough to make you stay in range unless morgana follow you during the duration, her shield is strong against CC more than against magic damage itself, is all about that powerful Q draining all her power budget

if the enemy midlaner force the wave to move forward the minions dont stay on your W making it a weird wave clear, she really need that rework

Darius Strada2 votes

She can still do good in mid. Full Ap it's just Q+W in a squishy for an easy kill.

TotalJerk2 votes

Try her top lane. She's actually really good up there if you already have a tank jungle or support.

Crymoricus2 votes

Morgana: I'm going to kill you! Hold on... hold still... okay, give me a minute... okay, two minutes. Haha! Now you are standing in my black pool of death! I have y-- hey, get back in my black pool of death please. Please?

Dracocrash1 votes

are you really replying to a 10 month + old thread xD

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

same with karma and zyra

OverpoweredSoap1 votes

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same with karma and zyra

Remember when Bjergsen got a pentakill with mid Karma in the LCS and she still didn't become FoTM?

AFilthyCaitMain2 votes

Karma mid can be tasty, depending on the matchup.

Dracocrash1 votes

zyra is a mid laner? I dindt even know haha

nachocheeseeeee2 votes

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same with karma and zyra

I abuse the shit out of Karma in top lane if the enemy is an immobile melee. Pretty much a cancer lane as she has a lot of good kiting and poking mechanics.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

she'll be good mid again too if laning phase is ever like an hour long again lol

Dracocrash1 votes

probably haha

JavelinJoe1 votes

Remember when Sona was a mid laner?

Dracocrash1 votes

yes.. to bad they nerfed it...

wipes tears with freelo

Stacona1 votes

She is a terrible support.

Dracocrash5 votes

debatable

FakeGravity3 votes

she is strong when single target CC supports are strong, due her shield, but currently....

TotalJerk2 votes

She is a damn good soloQ support.

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

I think it's mainly cuz you can't carry a game on her as mid, or at least it's not as easy as other mid laners. After the nerf to her w and removal of spell vamp from most parts of the game, her passive isn't as good as it used to be either.

Tworie1 votes

I have an 80% winrate with Morgana playing her exclusively at mid

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