I know there is no way to calculate this, but i would pretty much better all of my money and possibly my life that his ability to win his lane is very far removed from the average. To the point where its retarded.
Lane phase pantheon is cancer. He throws a non skill shot spear that does fucklots of damage, while blocking incoming attacks? He is total nonsense.
The Poetic Zed2 votesoh no, the champion that is awful after 10 minutes (hyperbole), has a great laning phase, what a shame. honestly, he's only relevant in the game because of his strong laning phase, and he still has several hard counters
Failog2 votesOkay sure, so what are these hard counters?
Failog2 votesAnd hes not awful after laning. That is a complete fucking farce peddler by trolls, Pantheon mains and Riot Shills who need to downvote anything that's critical of their game design into oblivion
The Poetic Zed1 votesOkay sure, so what are these hard counters?
to name a few. although swain im not too confident in naming. the rest shut him down pretty hard
MagicFlyingLlama1 votesI have effectively destroyed many pantheon players with Ryze. The trick is just to go ham on him and EW to block his spear trades, his sustained damage cant match yours.
Plus they think they can win lane easily, and do stupid shit.
Moneymonster71 votesThat's his role though. He's a massive lane bully. There are other champions who don't have much of a chance at winning laning phase at all but who can completely carry mid to late game team fights. Pantheon can definitely win lane, but when it comes to team fights, what is he supposed to do? Jump on the ADC that has QSS and then get blown up by the entire enemy team while doing zero damage?
Failog2 votesYes clearly his 53 percent win rates indicates he has no late game.
Moneymonster71 votesHe doesn't. He sucks unless the enemy team sucks more. Keep in mind that one lane getting ahead instills more confidence in the rest of his team, resulting in them playing better.
Slythion2 voteshttp://champion.gg/champion/Pantheon
you see that "Win Rate % by Game Length" graph? Damn right he has no late game
SaltyKracka1 votesOH MY GOD HE ONLY HAS A 50% WINRATE LATEGAME! OH TEH NOES!!!1!1!!
Slythion1 votesThere is a very clear linear dropoff in win rate as he extends to the late game. The fact that he has a decent late game win % is most likely contributed to his team having a lead from winning early game.
My point still stands: Pantheon falls off significantly in the late game
SaltyKracka1 votesMy point is this.
He doesn't fall off enough.
Slythion1 votesPerhaps, but are you sure? He's in a fairly balanced spot with a 52ish% winrate and if you don't feed him during lane phase his win rate reduces down to a very manageable amount
SaltyKracka2 votesThat's 53%, actually. He hasn't been below 52% all season.
And in case you hadn't noticed, the only way you're not feeding him is if you're letting yourself get denied, in which case (surprise surprise) he's still winning lane.
Failog1 votesClear drop off...that won't occur most matches because he will be fed in lane early and will help his team end the match early. Your point is moot.
That is like saying Aatrox has no late game to compensate for his early laning phase strenght. Aatrox is cancer in lane. I should I know my win rate with him right now is very high as is my KDA. I don't need him to have strong late game because I snowball most of the matches. So I win like 70 percent of my games.
Slythion1 votesto be fair, you are bronze and so you're not exactly fighting players that understand power spikes/dropoffs and how transitioning through game phases works, congrats on doing so well with Aatrox though
And I think you are confusing that high win rate by 25 mins with "pantheon wins 60% of his games before 25mins" which isn't true. most games last longer than that early phase
LateCustomer1 votesto be fair, you are bronze and so you're not exactly fighting players that understand power spikes/dropoffs and how transitioning through game phases works, congrats on doing so well with Aatrox though
And I think you are confusing that high win rate by 25 mins with "pantheon wins 60% of his games before 25mins" which isn't true. most games last longer than that early phase
Basically this. I have a buddy who loves to use Pantheon whenever he's in a Silver to Gold game, but goes to tanky brawlers once he's in high Gold to Diamond range. Basically, once you know how to handle lane bullies, Panth isn't as threatening
Slythion2 votesexactly
TheLastShadow451 votesHe doesn't have a late game. He has to win early.
Failog1 votesAnd he does, often because he snowballs.
DrCyanide1 votesI know there is no way to calculate this
Well, actually there is. https://developer.riotgames.com/api/methods You can get per-minute status, as well as what lane people are in, so you could compare Pantheon's CS, Kills, Deaths, Assists, Tower Takedowns, etc. to his lane opponents to find it out.
Don't know anyone that's done it yet, but if you're feeling up for it, go for it.
LateCustomer1 votesI know there is no way to calculate this, but i would pretty much better all of my money and possibly my life that his ability to win his lane is very far removed from the average. To the point where its retarded.
Lane phase pantheon is cancer. He throws a non skill shot spear that does fucklots of damage, while blocking incoming attacks? He is total nonsense.
Well, that's his job. He has such a strong laning phase because his mid is middling and his late game is horrendous.
Choten2 votesIt wouldn't be horrendous if anyone actually built attack speed on him instead of just armorpen or Black Cleaver tank.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteswhy attack speed on an AD CASTER?
Ralanr1 votesMaybe to utilize his passive more?
Honestly I can't see it.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesim lost sooo idk
hOrnn1 votesa point a click assassin thats also tanky has a high lane winrate?
still i found ways to win games vs him.
Meep Man1 votesLemme see... actually... it's decent. Like... 52.5%.
SaltyKracka1 votesPretty high, given that he's been overpowered lane cancer for practically forever.
Meep Man1 votesHe could probably be rebalanced to make his early game less oppressive.
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