So I played around with Morde's improved W on the PBE

Malicious Metal··65 votes·3,616 views

Who even needs a support if you can just W a minion now?

Mordekaiser just got his wave clear back, he annihilates minion waves with a simple W->E combo and his buffed E makes him poke actually hurt.

Now that we're slowly getting the tools we need to succeed in a solo lane we won't feel bad about taking him top or mid and feel forced to play him bot if we want to win.

Getting trashed in lane? W a frontline minion, net some cs, get a heal from reactivating W on the enemy if he tries to cs Getting ganked? W a backline minion and get some MS and reactivate it for a heal if they chase you through the minion wave Enemy laner leaves you alone? TIME TO SHRED, pushing mercilessly and punishing him for leaving you alone

As much as Riot seems to try to advocate Duo lane Mordekaiser they're actually on the right track to please all solo lane Morde's out there. He's actually starting to become more viable with every passing PBE patch.

Malicious Metal's Snowdown wish list: -World Domination -Functioning solo W -Better base stats -Iron Maiden

51 Comments

hi im alphonse37 votes

Morde is a strong independent tin can who dont need no support

Hooray!

10Tickler3 votes

+1 for making me laugh this early.

We need the Artists to Draw something like this now

BastionKross27 votes

Looks like Riot is unchaining the poor guy from bot lane and slowly pushing him back into solo lane viability.

I guess this is the closest thing we can expect to "We're sorry for trying to make Morde into a duo laner" from Riot. If only someone could have told them it wouldn't work out.

Oh wait, we did. Multiple times.

UTIDAWA1 votes

I thought stattik said they were still going to balance Morde around duo lane and not solo lane in the latest dev post. Either way if people leave botlane all together for solo lane morde then they cant just keep balancing a lane nobody plays i suppose.

BastionKross2 votes

I admit, it would be funny if they attempted to continue to balance Morde for a lane no one ever takes him. How would Riot explain that? Incoming patch notes preview:

Mordekaiser Mordekaiser "You little shits! We told you to play him in the bot lane, stop having fun in other lanes! And to that one guy that took him into the jungle specifically to prove that more Morde's are seen jungling than going in to a duo lane, we have decided that's not funny."

charcharmunro14 votes

I have to say, it's not a BAD idea to try and get a non-marksman as the "ADC", but they did it by gutting an existing character's current playstyle and hamfisting in a new one. So, yeah, yay for the return of solo-lane Mordekaiser. Maybe they'll eventually just make a new champion as the non-marksman "ADC".

chipndip14 votes

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I have to say, it's not a BAD idea to try and get a non-marksman as the "ADC", but they did it by gutting an existing character's current playstyle and hamfisting in a new one. So, yeah, yay for the return of solo-lane Mordekaiser. Maybe they'll eventually just make a new champion as the non-marksman "ADC".

But Morde's old play style was hard to balance, and he had no real niche outside of "feast or famine pizza feet". He was basically the main candidate for undergoing drastic changes like the one they attempted, but it's whatever, anyway. It's not like anyone gives a shit about bot being the shooter lane, anyway.

sp4413 votes

Yeah, different from now, where he's a hard to balance feast-or-famine pizza feet.

Leadpaintchips1 votes

they're on the right path by having marksman who can go to other lanes on the map (Kindred comes to mind), but they need to release a champion who can farm early/mid game as safe from their lane opponents as most marksman (without relying on their resources like MM can). That's always been the issue for me, is that the ranged harass from most MM is pretty high. I know the reason that they had the MM in the duo lane is because they needed to be protected, but when you don't have a hugely supressive lane against them, it can be rough.

Kaeblen1 votes

OK, so here's a list of candidates for a duo lane melee carry: Yorick Darius Illaoi Urgot Yasuo Blitzcrank I'm noticing a small problem.

charcharmunro6 votes

Urgot. Melee. Um?

sp4412 votes

Why not? His range is so fucking short he might as well be melee.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

Quinn

Kaeblen1 votes

well... you found ONE problem...

BastionKross4 votes

They did, his name is Yasuo.

CerT himself outright stated that he created Yas specifically to be a duo lane melee carry; much like he tried to force Morde to do. Which, if you look at his kit, makes a lot of sense. His windwall and shield keep him extremely safe from poke, his gapcloser means you're not safe from him at range especially if you're surrounded by your own minions, he can actually poke back really well, and he can start hitting semi-reliable big crits before a marksman can.

Unfortunately, unlike Morde, CerT didn't give Yas anything to force him into bot lane. There was no "Extra bonus XP if you're with someone else" or "This ability won't function without a support", nope. He just let Yas into the game and expected players to play him bot lane. Turns out, any melee champ strong enough to conquer a marksman/support combo in lane is totally overpowered in a solo lane like mid or top, and that's where Yas has settled and since been balanced for.

CerT had the right idea of making abilities that specifically function better in bot lane to encourage duo lane play, but he picked the wrong champion for that. Morde has no mobility or cc, two things you need to absolutely include if attempting to assemble a duo lane melee carry.

JMoormann2 votes

Not only that, but they chose the wrong character to do it. Someone with (almost) no mobility, no CC, no way to punish ADCs, The only tools he has to survive in the bot lane are his limited sustain and his shield.

Riot should kill 2 birds with 1 stone and rework Aatrox into a bot lane melee carry. He has mobility, CC, sustain, ways to punish ADCs. Not only that, he also has many similarities with ADCs: item reliant, weak early game, quite squishy, sustained damage, AAs a lot.

The idea was nice, and reworking Morde into a bot lane carry couldn't be done much better than this, but Morde was simply the wrong champion for this. He needed a rework or update of some kind, but he simply isn't suited for bot lane unless they want to do a Sion level rework for him.

charcharmunro1 votes

Also, in a way, it makes sense thematically for Aatrox to be fighting alongside somebody. Really, he never felt like the "mysterious warlord that appeared from nowhere and inspired the losing side" or whatever.

Skoonie10 votes

To quote Megadeth:

If there's a new way I'll be the first in line But it better work this time

Shac Norris8 votes

Malicious Metal-sama is pleased!

Chaotic Reks8 votes

Malicious Metal's Snowdown wish list: -World Domination -Functioning solo W -Better base stats -Iron Maiden

Spicy Rice4 votes

Top lane is the world to Mordehuekaiser

Malicious Metal3 votes

You mean to tell me there are other lanes?!

Spicy Rice1 votes

No, they are only the blaspheming delusions of those not worthy for the Mordehuekaiser

Nechronia1 votes

Unless the enemy tries to go yasuo mid of course ;>

Prospector Pete7 votes

Shhhhh! Don't tell Riot that they actually did something good or they'll revert it!

A Superb Villain6 votes

Hey, you can't have that first item on the list; that is mine! Mordehue already conquered Runeterra once, let someone else have a turn!

Joking aside, congratulations on the slow, but inevitable, push back to proper solo-lane Mordekaiser.

Malicious Metal6 votes

Every Tyrant needs a court jester :^)

ChaosThief1 votes

Is that a short joke?!

Lady Hammerlock3 votes

now all he needs is a higher base ms...

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

Aren't you now giving Riot reasons to revert the change?....

SettDownShutUp3 votes

I haven't left the PBE since item 3070 oh god, it's too beautiful, my baby's back.

RespectPlus2 votes

UP THE IRONS ,,/

t0ad52 votes

CertainlyToo little too late, been done awhile.

sp4412 votes

The best part is that there IS counterplay to it, just kill the minion (which isn't hard) and boom, you neutralized his W, this is something that actually improves his gameplay because it allows for the allocation of more power to his W while still giving enemies something to do about it. What would you know, an actually POSITIVE change that came out of this entire fiasco.

ltmetal2 votes

The Christmas list made me snort laugh.

Burnt Iron King1 votes

What would you need an Iron Maiden for? o_O

Baron of Bread1 votes

That is the name of Mordekaiser's passive. It is likely either a reference for humor or a reference to how lots of the Morde players think that his passive doesn't feel as good as it used to.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

One one hand this is good, on the other, this means facing him in lane again which feels awful.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

So I maxed abilities like you, Malicious, and itemized like Jotunhiemer suggested, but instead of a defensive item or two... I got a deathcap and BoRK.

I got 53 kills as Mord adc.

Oh man, I hope these changes go thru to live, I'd love to play him solo lane

Stars Shaper1 votes

Glad to hear that. I hope that it won't get reverted for the exact reasons you listed xD

Tengrichan1 votes

While i am happy with the changes this new W is gonna make him busted in lane. For reference how much damage this ability deals:

Active - First Cast: Mordekaiser targets an allied champion(on PBE minions too) and for the next 4 seconds they gain 75 bonus movement speed while moving towards each other, which lingers for 1.5 seconds. When near enough to each other, each deal magic damage every second to nearby enemies for the duration.

「 Magic Damage Per Second: 35 / 45 / 55 / 65 / 75 (+ 22.5% AP) 」 Total Magic Damage: 140 / 180 / 220 / 260 / 300 (+ 90% AP) 」

Now do you see that 90%AP ratio?ok Now imagine maxing this ability first and then imagine twice this damage. And then there is the second activation which heals Morde AND deals damage.

Harvest Damage: 50 / 85 / 120 / 155 / 190 (+ 30% AP) 「 Heal Per Enemy: 50 / 85 / 120 / 155 / 190 (+ 30% AP) 」

And now E has even more base damage.

This change is gonna get reverted or he will receive some nerfs somewhere else because this is,well rather dumb.

Out of the latest changes on LIVE the decreased attack range hurt him the most.So i would gladly exchange some damage to get back that range.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Btw, which keystone are you running on him?

I gave a try to TDL just for fun, the cunning tree isn't really well suited for Morde but he has a really lot of chances to make it proc.

Malicious Metal1 votes

I usually get Grasp of the undying with the rest in the ferocity tree but sometimes, especially against ranged opponents I get death fire touch.

As great as TLD is the rest of the cunning tree doesn't really benefit Morde. Besides, it may get nerfed pretty soon so I'd rather get used to using the less OP options.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Yes DFG is what I go too usually when I'm botlane and it's pretty easy to keep up. The shield mastery still doesn't work with Morde passive doesn't it?

Malicious Metal2 votes

Nope >_>

Hurry the hell up Rito D:

Doctor Dyment1 votes

We're walking a very tight rope good sir. Let's hope we stay on balance.

Bijorn1 votes

Thank the Metal lords. Mord has been horrible to play as on the live patch. Although his E gives him more shield each level it gets on live, you still get shit on completely in any/every lane. I want to play him so bad but I do not want to ruin the game for my teammates. Hopefully this goes through and I can actually play him again.

Subundu1 votes

Just saw last pbe update on surrenderat20. Are the E buff and R changes reverted? They simply disappeared...

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