Jax is still a lot of BS. But tell me more why Aatrox was the problem.

Failog··1 votes·1,102 views

He does a lot of magic damage. You have to build armor and magic resist to fight him.

Old Aatrox got his E nerfed when they changed it from magic damage to physical damage.

Meanwhile Jax's W does bonus magic damage and his ult passively gives him 100/160/220 bonus magic damage.

Lets really look at his. Basically that averages out to him doing 73 bonus damage every hit at the max level. This is ALWAYS on, and in the long run, probably generates a lot more damage than ults that actually do damage when activated.

His counter strike is really BS because it stops all damage from basic attacks. That is a lot of damage to always be stopped. You could have 500 AD and you dont do damage to him, then you get stunned and dealt damaged by the ability and then he just kills you with auto attacks. Awesome. This is basically 3 free seconds where he gets to change the fight while doing damage and CC. Hate it. Always have since day one. Thousands of matches later, I feel the same way.

Very few champions can simultaneously 1) stop incoming damage while moving 2)deal damage and CC from the same ability

And when you fall behind, he stat checks you. Why did old Aatrox get shit on? Jax is way worse when ahead. But oh no, Aatrox was the problem. Meanwhile Jax and others are way worse when ahead, STRONGER when snowballing and MORE effective when behind than Aatrox ever was.

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Jamaree5 votes

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He does a lot of magic damage. You have to build armor and magic resist to fight him.

item 3143 and item 3110 > Jax

Old Aatrox got his E nerfed when they changed it from magic damage to physical damage.

Meanwhile Jax's W does bonus magic damage and his ult passively gives him 100/160/220 bonus magic damage.

Why are you even comparing these two champions, besides being AA they have nothing in common.

Lets really look at his. Basically that averages out to him doing 73 bonus damage every hit at the max level. This is ALWAYS on, and in the long run, probably generates a lot more damage than ults that actually do damage when activated.

Ok and?

His counter strike is really BS because it stops all damage from basic attacks. That is a lot of damage to always be stopped. You could have 500 AD and you dont do damage to him, then you get stunned and dealt damaged by the ability and then he just kills you with auto attacks. Awesome. This is basically 3 free seconds where he gets to change the fight while doing damage and CC. Hate it. Always have since day one. Thousands of matches later, I feel the same way.

Shamw that auto attacking is the only way to do damage. Seriously, when will Riot get off their asses and create a way to do damage besides just auto attacking? On a serious note, yeah it negates AAs, then against casters and mages especially ones that focus on single target damage you are left with a delayed incredibly short range stun.

Very few champions can simultaneously 1) stop incoming damage while moving 2)deal damage and CC from the same ability

Except it isn’t stopping incoming damage it is just stopping AAs.

And when you fall behind, he stat checks you. Why did old Aatrox get shit on? Jax is way worse when ahead. But oh no, Aatrox was the problem. Meanwhile Jax and others are way worse when ahead, STRONGER when snowballing and MORE effective when behind than Aatrox ever was.

Aatrox wasn’t changed because he was too strong, Aatrox was changed because he didn’t work. He was widely considered shit since inception to 2018. It took a heavy meta shift and a broken item interaction for him to work.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Aatrox wasn’t changed because he was too strong, Aatrox was changed because he didn’t work. He was widely considered shit since inception to 2018. It took a heavy meta shift and a broken item interaction for him to work.

Actually, Aatrox was perfectly fine after his passive/w mini reworks meaning he did actually work. That same huge meta shift made Zyra, Darius, FIddle, and many more became meta. Don't act like this is some Aatrox thing.

Jamaree1 votes

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Actually, Aatrox was perfectly fine after his passive/w mini reworks meaning he did actually work. That same huge meta shift made Zyra, Darius, FIddle, and many more became meta. Don't act like this is some Aatrox thing.

Is that why he saw no play until this year?

AirKingNeo1 votes

actually, he saw pro play in turkey last year

but that joke aside, I'm not sure how seeing pro play really means anything? Darius didn't see pro play until this year either.

Jamaree2 votes

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actually, he saw pro play in turkey last year

I don't think 3 games within 4 years is a sign of being good.

but that joke aside, I'm not sure how seeing pro play really means anything? Darius didn't see pro play until this year either.

Darius actually sees solo queue play though, old Aatrox didn't.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Old Aatrox did see solo queue play. You can tell because he had about 3% pick rate consistently. Being unpopular doesn't really justify much.

I don't think 3 games within 4 years is a sign of being good.

#Maybe because he finally got the mini rework he needed? like you can't be serious, trying to compare pre and post mini rework.

Failog1 votes

He worked fine for me. AND IMO much stronger before his mini rework. All they had to do was give him that dive to his buff where it cant be stopped on the way down and leave the rest alone and would have been great. The whole stacking concept was idiotic ill conceived by an incompetent designer who never played Aatrox

Failog1 votes

Also that is exactly why they say he was changed--he was too strong when ahead and too weak when behind.

Jamaree1 votes

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Also that is exactly why they say he was changed--he was too strong when ahead and too weak when behind.

Yeah, they are and have been removing stat check champions more and more as the game goes on.

Failog1 votes

"Shamw that auto attacking is the only way to do damage. Seriously, when will Riot get off their asses and create a way to do damage besides just auto attacking? On a serious note, yeah it negates AAs, then against casters and mages especially ones that focus on single target damage you are left with a delayed incredibly short range stun"

Right. Yet I can E, Q, R, Auto with blood price and spell blade or crit one time and burst down a squishy ...using ONE auto attack.

Tell me more how he needs autos to do damage. I can generate over 1000 damage easily with a combo that involves one auto attack with Aatrox.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Jax isn't BS, and I'm a fucking Kayle main.

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