Complaining about Riven in 2011 vs now

Mira Arya Enthe··3 votes·1,136 views

2011: Most champions in the game are fairly immobile, a champion with high dashing potential and overall mobility is an absurd thing, it landed Kassawin in 90% pick or ban rate. Feast or famine champions are not standard, there are a few, but none scale harder than a fed Riven. On top of that, good base stats, high HP regen and insane bully power leave top laners of the time - basically stat sticks with no mechanics - with no way to outplay her. Riven's end up crushing lane unless they are awful. Overconfidence of real Riven mains makes those who aren't good more arrogant and toxic. She is badly designed because she doesn't fit in a game full of low mechanics stat sticks who win through meta-gaming of buying better items and winning through gold, gold and more gold.

People complain about Riven because she doesn't fit into the game and therefore is situationally overpowered. Mostly justified.

Now: Riven's base stats and numbers have been nerfed multiple times, she has no more HP regen at all essentially. Every new champion has an overloaded kit and a simple stat stick hasn't been released in years. Most primary top laners counter her such as Jayce, Gnar, Kennen, Darius in low to mid tiers, Garen in low tiers, Renekton, Rumble situational, Camille unless you are god-tier, Cho'Gath, Fiora, Kled, Kayle, and even some off picks like Trynd, Akali, Morde and Rengar. Dozens of champions have equal overall mobility to her, some have more even if circumstantial. Feast or Famine is the standard for fighters, bruisers and top lane carries and several scale just as well as a fed Riven. Overloaded kits with too many shields slows, CCs, Tanking Steroids and burst damage despite having DPS are the standard, not the exception. CotC is slightly overpowered on Riven but it is also slightly overpowered on other people who abuse it, mostly junglers. When it is nerfed she will be too.

People complain about Riven despite her having an atrocious win rate in Bronze through Platinum and animation cancelling not even being a major factor until high tiers where she finally becomes viable in Diamond and slightly overtuned in master.

Conclusion This is very confusing for me, perhaps people are use to complaining about Riven. But in this day in age, Riven is the standard, and low counter-play, low-option stat sticks are becoming the exception. As the game advances to be more based on skill rather than gold economy.

Do I like the direction of the game? Perhaps not, perhaps so. But it doesn't change that Riven is no longer the only mobile, strongest scaling, feast or famine champion she was. I can understand complaining about Riven in 2011, but in 2016, moving onto 2017. It seems silly to target her exclusively. Whether it be newer fighter/tanks like Vi. Newer 'skirmishers' like Ekko, Yasuo and Fiora. Newer junglers like Elise or Ivern. Newer top laners like Gnar. Or old champions who were fully realized like Jayce. Everyone has bloated kits these days.

And just to name other people who can easily escape ganks top lane but are strong when they all in and have generally bloated kits: Aatrox prenerf Camille Ekko Fiora Gnar Jax The old School of OP Jayce Kled Poppy Tryndamere The old School of OP Yasuo

If you haven't got it by now, this is the direction the game is going. More towards reflex, skill and interactivity, out with stat 375 beats stat 373 because it is higher.

P.s This doesn't mean I think all of these champions are perfect in design. But they are the new direction regardless. Even Darius takes more skill and has built in options and counterplay now.

11 Comments

Ralanr3 votes

Why do you feel the need to defend a champion that is more or less fine? Riven is just annoying and always will be.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

This is what I do. I post in the boards with the best logic I can muster. I hope that my small tidbits here and there will improve the community outlook and game overall. And then move on with life.

Ralanr3 votes

Ah. Boredom. I can relate.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Pretty much, too close to work for a game, too long till work to get ready and go eat, studies are done. Bleh.

Ralanr2 votes

Yeah. I have too much free time at work. I should write and I probably will because I can't do pretty much anything at work tomorrow.

dunder kill3 votes

People complain about Riven despite her having an atrocious win rate in Bronze through Platinum

This game is not balanced around Bronze thankfully. Its balanced around Plat-Diamond except for like 2 patches every year aimed at the pro scene. Bronze and Silver statistics are literally meaningless because LoL is not balanced around being bad at it.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Bronze through plat. Decent in diamond. Overtuned in master. Howevee the problem in master is the use of animation canceling and combos. So balancing should be aimed at those. Also CotC. Which is just OP on all abusers of it.

Also if the game was actually balanced around high tier, Garen and Yi would get monstrous buffs and Yorick wouldn't have been reworked. Riot already stated they balance for all tiers. The majority of players are S2 or less. 53% to be exact. So anything above S2 is above average, not bad.

AcidTheWarlock2 votes

Explain how Kled is OP.

From pretty much every "most balanced champuon" thread, people seem to be OK with him.

Not trying to start an argument, I just want to hear why you think that.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Kled isn't OP, he is balanced. But he has a 'bloated kit' aka, the new standard. Tons of shit on 4 buttons.

AcidTheWarlock2 votes

Yeah, I misread you up there.

Although I kind of like the "tons of shit on 4 buttons" thing.

I used to play Smite, where if you do more than 2 things on an ability, however situational or balanced it is, it's OP.

Aaaaand I thought it was boring as hell. There's only so much you can do with that mentality.

I do, however, want to see a new champ like Kassadin. Cool ult that's simple but with depth and a basic kit.

More about how you can manipulate one thing opposed to having a toolbox like Camille.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Agreed

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