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Imt vs Fnatic

woodvsmurph··1 votes·605 views

Quick takeaways: Cody Sun and Olleh aren't as strong as many thought they were - especially during summer split. And they still have nerves to work through.

Flame still has it - he just showed how jayce is meant to be played and why full lethality jayce is incorrect vs a team with a good frontline. If you play jayce in solo queue and the enemy team has some tanks, try his build.

Pob - he knew it. He knew Reckless was playing agro and he purposely made himself a juicy target at the end to bait Reckless into his death. Damn man - 200iq plays are real.

19 Comments

Hemanth3 votes

Reckless plays were the only reason the game lasted so long, Olleh did a fantastic job as game progressed to counter it better and better

Requiemsfire2 votes

Reckless is so cocky and literally does he best to live up to his name sake throwing a game at 50 minutes trying to take a lucky pick.

Infernape1 votes

EU in 2k17 lul.

BigBellBrute1 votes

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EU in 2k17 lul.

At least you're a good sport about it. G2 will likely get you on the board tomorrow.

Infernape1 votes

I always am. I give credit where it's due. NA is outperforming EU by a lot so far. EU is getting weaker each year tbh.

MysterQ2 votes

I feel like Soaz everytime I play toplane. Guys I am doing ok in KDA.... ignore my Cs.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

If it wasn't for the constant camp, ganks and double tp Fnatic would have gotten beat and really would have been at the mercy of the Gragas late-game oppose to the Lee's bad late-game.
I really want to see FNC not put 100% of their resources into Rekkles, again this isn't 2013 anymore, gone are the days of 1 player getting all the gold and cs etc. Rekkles and FNC are playing the CLG strategy and it's a horrible one at that.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Adc's with ardent can carry harder than any other role this game - and it's not like other players weren't full build either. But yeah, putting all your damage onto one teammate isn't smart.

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

Having the Lee pick in this meta and while it may be "too far" EU/NA really shouldn't play Lee honestly, they can't do the plays that the Koreans can make and while we have seen some great plays for example Sven vs RNG last year, TSM still didn't win vs them even with a decent lead and RNG playing passive, something LPL teams just aren't known for. I don't like the 1 carry on a team it's too see through, if you know what I mean. Not to mention I never viewed Rekkles as a true carry player, but more so as a farmer, Froggen like "farm for 40 mins and get everything handed" player.

I also want to thank you for not lashing out in your response to mine, as I'v really been under stress as of late and really just needed to vent on something.
Have a good one ;]

woodvsmurph1 votes

Ryze is pretty good lategame too - definitely better than taliyah. But fnc played like it was all on twitch. Like you said - they put all eggs in 1 basket and made 1 bad play that lost them the game. Just like pob knew he was badly outscaled, but exploited reckless aggression and baited him into death. Honestly even if they'd traded 1 for 1, it would have been gg with imt winning. That pob lived was just icing on the cake. With supers rushing in top, all fnc had to do was either 5 man bot or 4-1 bot with solo person mid. You can even bait enemy into killing the solo person mid if it gets you the 2nd inhib bot. Because losing 1 person (as long as it's not the adc) in exchange for 2 inhibs is worth that late into game. Either they buy enough time you get inhib plus escape rest of your team, or they die fast 1v3 mid and you get inhib plus a 4v2 doublekill bot - making it a 4v3 with 2 inhibs down.

And the other thing you can do with lee is just kick the adc away. Like if adc can only focus lee and twitch is blowing up the 4 others on imt while they peel lee off twitch and kite back to their adc, imt just loses. Sure lee's not really useful late game aside from the perfect insec, but jayce isn't any more useful for teamfights. And in their team comp, lee wasn't picked for the late game. He was there to get twitch fed early and give fnc a solid early/mid lead; which he did. I don't think another jungler could have pulled off the same level of lead that early into game - sej comes close, but I think 1 or 2 of those early ganks wouldn't have quite been as successful with her - either imt would have just survived or they would have traded kill bot instead. So yes, lee was bad late, but you also must consider what he did for them early/mid and how much of that advantage they wouldn't have had in exchange for getting a better late game alternative jungler. I guess we will find out in the repeat match next week.

BigBellBrute1 votes

So based on one game where they got 4 dove time and time again, they're not as good as many thought they were?

You're both misinformed on what people thought and way too quick to react to one game. I don't know anyone going in that thought Cody Sun would dominate. We expected some jitters from the Rookie. They did hang with probably the best bot lane duo of the tournament in their first game. This game was a rocky start. But getting 4 man dove several times will do that. But they played better as the game went on and Cody ended the game first in damage to champs. So in the end, he did his job and it was Rekkles that made the rookie mistake.

ADCs in solo Q. Don't flash forward 1 on 5. Just don't. Rekkles couldn't survive it. You won't either.

Maszii1 votes

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So based on one game where they got 4 dove time and time again, they're not as good as many thought they were?

You're both misinformed on what people thought and way too quick to react to one game. I don't know anyone going in that thought Cody Sun would dominate. We expected some jitters from the Rookie. They did hang with probably the best bot lane duo of the tournament in their first game. This game was a rocky start. But getting 4 man dove several times will do that. But they played better as the game went on and Cody ended the game first in damage to champs. So in the end, he did his job and it was Rekkles that made the rookie mistake.

ADCs in solo Q. Don't flash forward 1 on 5. Just don't. Rekkles couldn't survive it. You won't either.

Well i guess Rekkles thought POB was alone or he could get the last crit in and get stealth out. Shame the game ended of that, because it was a really good equal game.

woodvsmurph1 votes

POB knew he could bait Reckless to do that because they had vision of him playing so agro all the times he stealthed up looking for kills ahead of his team just before that play. His being so far forward alone (after they had stuck as 5 for so long) was calculated.

woodvsmurph1 votes

I don't base that critique of bot lane just off this game; I base it off all of summer split. Can they be a good botlane? Yes. Is more of their success due to the TEAM than just those 2 and more credit due to Xmithie? Yes. All summer and into playoffs we still saw them making too many simple mistakes that can cost games or at least put them at unnecessary disadvantages vs the strongest teams - and they will only be punished harder for them at worlds. They are good, but they have too many brainfarts to be one of the 4 best botlanes at worlds kinda thing is what I am saying - they still gotta work on that. If they do, they could easily make quarters or better.

And 4 man repeat dove? Sometimes - especially pro play - you gotta see/predict that coming and GET OUT. Sure not every time was it their fault, but sometimes they probably stayed when they knew they shouldn't. Again - small bad decisions putting you unnecessarily behind.

BigBellBrute1 votes

Crumbz. I think it's lonzhou and gigabyte marines shooting for the top for this one. They look way better than these two teams.

Next game, Longzhou clown stomps Gigabyte Marines in 23 minutes, 17 kills to 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE

The Crumbz Curse is alive and well.

Mig891 votes

Cant really call it the crumbz curse even if it is real. Longzhou beat SKT in the Korean split. theyre a legit contender in my eyes because of that.

BigBellBrute1 votes

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Cant really call it the crumbz curse even if it is real. Longzhou beat SKT in the Korean split. theyre a legit contender in my eyes because of that.

Yes I can because they not only lost, they got stomped. Worst loss of the round so far.

Mig891 votes

Fair enough but remember its a top two korean team playing a GPL team lol.

woodvsmurph1 votes

season 2, cough cough

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